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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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 Posted - 12 November 2005 : 12:45:46 PM
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Well Rodney put together a Jockey Pole, of sorts, which is very agricultural, or pedestian and although we did not have a need for it last night in the MYC twilighter, it will be interesting to see if it holds together. It is a thin section and has a number of joints. But not the smoking type. I would prefer a straight section that has the two ends fitting straight onto the alloy pole. With luck it will break!
An interesting comment was made last night back at our Club after the twilighter. One of the other yachties came in for a beer & a yarn. He was very disappointed in their performance and said that they got swamped by the bigger boats. Theirs being a 36, and they could make no inroads into us. His excuse was that she is now twenty years old. We sheepishly advised him that the Hagar IV was now over 32 years young and we have a lot more to do to make her go faster, as well as the fact, as we rubbed it into him that this was the boat's first big mixed fleet race.
Oh for some new rags!
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 13 November 2005 : 09:53:53 AM
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From our first days out cruising until now into a season of solid racing we have had a problem with the clutches slipping resulting in the halliards all loosing it under load and especially when we are racing!
Kevin suggested WD40 & then Lanolin spraying of the offending clutches. While it has worked to some extent the halliards are still slipping as per Friday nights twilighter and we ended up tieing the forestay off to the cabin top winch.
What suggestions? Can we replace the insides. Buy new ones. I did look at a pair of second handers in very good condition last week for $70.00 each. They cost about $120.00 each at Whitworths.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 13 November 2005 : 10:43:42 AM
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You can buy new spring kits and cam handles for most rope clutch brands, but it sounds like you are either permenantly unhappy with the actuall design of the clutches you have or have just plain lost confidence in them. It may be time to just get rid of them and replace them with the good stuff. On the bright side, they tend to sell reasonably well as second hand items (advertise them here!), so you will not be out too much money, and changing in new kits sounds like it would be just a waste of money in this case.
The Lewmar clutches are very good and do least harm to your ropes. Ronstan are the cheapest of the worthwhile brands and seem to work pretty well.
Spinlock brand have come out with so many deifferent revised models that you will get a whole range of opinions about them ranging from dreadful to pretty-good based on which variation people have worked with. The models on board Avenger were pretty awful and chewed the crap out of the outer sheaths of ropes.
At slightly more expensive then Ronstan, and at a worse quality are the French made ones. The only praise I have heard for them is from the reps selling them. The people that actually have them on their boats either openly dislike them or growl at them quietly...I have never seen one more then two years old that has not lost the knob off the end of the handle and gone dull-coloured from the sun. So make of that what you will.
Harken make clutches too....like all Harken products, not really in our price range.
Have you considered buying on line from the US. You will find prices are dramatically cheaper for clutches...almost the same for ST winches, though.
Sasha
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 13 November 2005 : 6:37:21 PM
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The simplest solution to slipping clutches is to use a thicker rope. The next option and the cheapest is to put a V cleat behind the clutch. It works well and lets you use the thinner rope.
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 13 November 2005 : 7:44:17 PM
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 13 November 2005 : 8:49:57 PM
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Horn cleats are too slow, both cleating and uncleating. You might as well use belaying pins like we did on the old 16 footers.
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Go Flow
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Australia
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 13 November 2005 : 9:56:14 PM
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argh, slow my butt! call your self sailors!!
Hang on! if i get rid of the horn cleats for somthing more modern - does that mean our crew work will be slicker than at the 40th? Nah thats impossible! we will leave well enough alone :) |
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 08:36:57 AM
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Hi Col,
Do your crew put a reverse turn on the horn cleat to make sure it won't slip? It takes extra time to undo!
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 09:52:27 AM
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only use them on the main (at foot of the mast) and for the jib (the jamb cleat creeps abit so i screwed a horn cleat to the cabin face (this took place on the first work in the 1st race of the 40th!)
It works and as it is only let off down wind there is no rush - jamber for the kite and other controls.
I did make all my controls as simple as possible on this boat and cheap - works ok for us - so far - a good blow may show up any weakness. |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 10:43:36 AM
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Getting back to the original topic of this long long thread....
I have encountered an E30 in Moreton Bay by the name of Serendipity. Anyone know of it or have it on the E30 books already?
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 12:48:22 PM
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The name rings a bell Sasha, however, have not seen her or any photos. Do you have any photos, sail numbers etc.? Did you see her or was it on a web site?
Chris.
I wish those two old E26 sailors would get off our section of the site and go and play in their E26 section.[:-boring] |
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 14 November 2005 : 3:41:38 PM
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Sorry,
I thought you would appreciate our solutions to your problem!
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 4:10:58 PM
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Hey Adrian did I tell you about all that defective woven rovings Reg purchased that went into the construction of all 30s? After 30 years it breaks down and ozzy attacks the hull!!
I'll give you "boring" when you come crying for advice :) :)
(point taken Chris we will get back in own box) |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 5:03:01 PM
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That woven rovings, I was talking to a guy and I thought he said they used it on the '24's. Wouldn't they get the SOL if they got Ozzie.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 November 2005 : 5:08:43 PM
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Sorry old Coley but our boat is now about 32 years young and when last sliped did'nt have bubble or wrinkle on the old girls bottom. probably has more life than a lot of the boats being built today.
And she performed really well in the Friday night twilighter & past a lot of bigger boats.
Well the work continues. It is a fine line between getting all the jobs done and bringing her up to Cat 3, learning how to make her go, trying to get a crew together as well as enjoying a good sail.
As mentioned earlier we dicovered how to really flatten the mainsail on Sunday, simply by getting the depowering adjustments in the correct order.
1. Pull the crap out of the back stay.
2. Pull the crap out of the baby stay.
3. Pulling down hard on the cunningham &
4. Ensuring that the foot is out fully.
This made what we thought was not possible with this main, it was almost flat. And Rod was pleased. So do we need a new Mainsail? Not just yet. Get the sailmaker back to look at it again.
Chris.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 5:44:14 PM
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remember how I mentioned leading the line from the blocks for adjusting the babystay back to the cockpit where the brains trust could fine tune it....?
Have you got a phone number for Brett Scott, the amazing sailmaker, by the way?
You can email it to me privately if you do not want to share your secret weapon.
Sasha
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 5:50:11 PM
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Chris, as we have spoken after the Anniversary Weekend, I don't believe your main is a problem. In the light airs of the Long weekend it looked good and full. So by being able to adjust it for heavier airs is the go.
As the breeze picks up the back stay certainly becomes one on the most important tools. Just flatten your main you found it.
Next thing is to flatten your headsail. As you increase the tension on your back stay will also flatten the headsaail, next step is to then move the car backwards for the sheets. This will tighten the foot of the sail and loosen up the leach. hence exaust air from the genoa.
After that go down a sail. That is why you have your twin track on the forestay. Put up the smaller sail on the inner track and then go about on to the opposite track then retrive the large sail from the inside.
We also have a lazy sheet so that if we have to put a smaller sail up on the inner track and not be able to tack then we use another sheet on the smaller sail then retrive the larger sail from the outside track. More difficult and takes more time but better than wasting time by going about.
The essential item is the prefeeder on the base of the forestay. It makes changing sails easy.
One of my concerns has alway been the size of the winches on the coachhouse, I feel they are too small only when changing sails in a bit of a blow. However, if you have your systems in place the process is quick & easy.
Another subject for later is the size & position of a winch for the spinnaker sheet. I feel at present ours are hopeless and have got to be upgraded. (Have not done it yet - just dollars) |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 November 2005 : 6:05:17 PM
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Thanks for that Kevin, your were right about the main. We will see how it goes. The twilighter races are very good for testing out these things as we sail against anything from 55 to 24 foot yachts, there are a lot between 30 to 40.
We have been using a lazy sheet when running downwind and yesterday Pete & I were using the inner sheet as well as the outer Lazy sheet in the mixed wind strengths for two sail reaching.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 November 2005 : 8:01:11 PM
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That's another trick I was hoping that you guys had not realised yet. By using the lazy sheet is a way to go but the spinnaker sheet might be easier to release off the twicker.
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A New E30
