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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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 Posted - 15 November 2005 : 4:40:18 PM
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Forgot to mention that Rodneys' jockey pole was also OK on the Sunday race, and he thinks it needs another six inches of length. So he took it home for some more agricultural work.
This coming weekend there is the normal Friday night twilighter and we are looking forward to mixing it up with the 30 & 40 footers again. If we can manage to keep the crew we had we should start to improve as we learn more about getting more out of her.
There is no Sunday race and while Ian will be out cruising on Saturday, Rod & I may do some work on Sunday. The lists are just getting longer!
MUST DO jobs include:
1. Fixing S/S "U" bolts to the mast base to fix halliards & safety lines.
2. Diving on the boat to check if there is any coral growth around the rudder etc.
3. Getting the boat scrubbed.
4. Lengthening the Jockey Pole.
5. Perhaps shortening the Kite Pole by about 200 to 400mm as it still looks a tad long according to Rod.
6. I should go & look for some marine grade alloy plate for the two rudder skirts.
7. And buy some 15mm ply and cut out the new floor boards.
8. Need to measure up, cut out & fit teak deck kite pole holders.
etc. What else Childsy?
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 10:28:24 AM
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Sasha,
Our Sailmaker, Bret Scott is contactable on:
0299488945, or moblile: 0412288945 or his Email address is: bret@scottsails.com.au
Just tell him that we recommended him.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 1:32:43 PM
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Wow, just talked to the Sydney sailoft for Fiberpath and basically got the strong impression I did not want to deal with these people. The quote was around $3500 for an E26 mainsail. Does that seem rather steep to anyone else given that Ullman claims same cost or 10%over what a standard tri-radial would be?
What have other people paid for E26 sails? (Come on, I know you read the 30's thread)
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 3:28:10 PM
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Sasha,
There is little difference in sail area size between an E26 to a E30 main, the differences are in the shape. Although if we extended the foot & the roach area we could the E30 main much bigger!
The quote for our new E30 mainsail was $1,400.00 out of the best dacron.
Just remember that Rods last E26, the Hagar won three nationals & got a third place, (with a dodgy number of short course races as well as being "taken" out by the opposition in one race).
All with the original main from Bret Scott.
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 5:17:06 PM
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| My last (Dacron) E26 Main was from Ian Short, albeit 3 years ago was around $1,400 too. |
Shed boy #1, the one holding the stick thingy. |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 7:45:50 PM
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Dav, Chris & Sahs, I think my main from Ian Short was about $1500. that was about 4-5 years ago, and out of Dacron. Would imagine if you could get a **** hot sailmaker to make a main for $1600 - $2,000 I would think grab him. I still have issues with my main but I think I may have solved it.
I am very happy with my suit of sail by Ian Short but my main has very little drive. So I am play with battens and it seems to have improved the shape.
Neil Tasker and John Hearne are also good Sailmakers and worth chatting to before making a decision.
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 8:51:32 PM
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Guys talk to John Hearne before you make up your mind! The boat Sunergy may not have got far in the Volvo race - but it was not the sails that let it down! Most of you saw his gear on our boat at the 40th - he is well worth a chat.
I think good Dacron may be the go - but then with technology going so fast it may well be superseeded by now.
Th eprices quoted above by Kevin would be right on the money for a hi tech main for a 30 I would think. |
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 9:00:35 PM
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| I say dacon because (in my humble opinion) you can then spend a little (ok a lot) more $s on good headsails - good heady = good drive - doesn't matter that much what your main is doing, within reason. |
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
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Posted - 16 November 2005 : 9:52:22 PM
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I know when we did the 2002 Nationals with that new Dacron main we were as fast as anyone on the course upwind, so I'd second that Colin.
That said, most of the cost of a panelled sail is labour so fancy material oughtn't bump the price up too far within reason - unless there are brand name techniques like 3DL, D4, Tape Drive or whatever involved.
I know Guy Irwin went to Ian Macdiarmaid a while back for a set of sails, I don't know if those were any good, but we have a new Carbon main from him on "About Time" this season and so far our results are all firsts or seconds, sailing in pretty hot company. It was about 75% the cost of a Fraser D4 sail. I was trimming it in the Port Hacking race last month and the boat was absolutely trucking, sat between 7.1 and 7.3 the whole day with nothing but an inch or two on and off the sheet to keep it in the groove.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 20 November 2005 : 5:28:50 PM
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Saturday saw the Hagar IV out cruising the harbour. Ian was at the helm with family & friends. We found out later that they had 10 persons on board and later at our Owners Meeting the question was raised, how many safter vests were on board? I suspect that there may not have been enough.
Anyway, at our meeting we re-confimed our Partnership Agreement and settled the main finances. There were a number of things that were further agreed to, being:
1. Rod is the bag man & settles accounts. We are fairly relaxed as there has to be trust.
2. Rod is also the co-ordinator for the boats useage, or bookings.
3. That the current upgrading of the boat to Cat 3 continue, however it may not come to fruition until the new year.
4. Racing Crews will be Owners first, Family second & then others.
5. That a written agreement be drawn up to make it easy in the event of a partner wanting out or a death of one of the Partners. This will protect the remaining Partners. We agree that although we all would do the right thing, the estate of a member might be a problem. It is my job to make a valuation of the boat in dollars & that this amout be set for buy-outs. We later spoke with a member of our Club who is a solicitor & will draw a up a contract for us.
6. There will be one major working bee each year for slipping and underwater work. Other work days will be organised on a regular basis until she is up to Cat 3.
7. Rod will book the work birth at the Marina at the earliest and we will tie up & install the greasy rope into the propeller stern gland to fix the slow leak. In addition there will be a few other underwater jobs attempted.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 22 November 2005 : 4:35:05 PM
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Sailing & Racing Partnerships.
As elluded to in the previous posting we have just conducted an AGM of the joint owners of the Hagar IV over the weekend. This was necessary to conclude the financial business surrounding the sale, deivery & initial upgrade of the craft.
Well might you ask, why a partnership? & you may just well! The reply has many answers as well as questions. I went into the partnership for a number of reasons. While I had the money to buy a yacht outright, as might be the case for Ian, who regularly extracts money out of his rich north shore customers mouths, we see the benifit in this agreement partnership, being;
1. None of the four of us can sail the boat all of the time. And a boat not used regularly is a wasted assett.
2. We need a racing crew and together we have over 100 years of skiff racing experience between three of us.
3. Only one of us had a mooring in North Harbour, there is a 25 plus year waiting list.
4. We grew up together, all went to the same school, played Rugby & sailed together or in the same club. About 40 years!
5. We all have differing skills, I hate electronics & am not good with motors, while Andy is. Ian has good fine motor skills & is great at finishing things off as well as electronics. Rod is a good negotiatior & does all the PR stuff with sailmakers, riggers, marineas as well as fitting makers etc. My skills are in making things, ie, spars, glassing, woodwork etc.
While Rod & Andy are steady as she goes safe sailors, I tend to be a gunn-ho seat of the pants sailor, always willing to crash someone!
Andy also has two big sons, the younger is a talented forwardhand, as the E26 sailors should know.
6. Finally the costs are split four ways and the annual cost of sailing the boat is much less than for an indervidual.
So there are the main reasons for the Partnership. There are also a number of "other factors" which come into the equasion, Trust & Honesty are the key ingredients to the success of this relationship-partnership.
The fruits of all of this is that apart from us boys getting out onto the water in our senior years, there is relationship and all of the associated benifits.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 22 November 2005 : 6:41:48 PM
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Guys I hear what you are saying but so far with all the partners Why? are we short of crew so regularly. If they are so interested and have the love of sailing, why do you have to race with only 3 crew.
I think the crew should sort themselves out and if they want to sail Twilights then they have to turn up.
This is why I own the boat, if I am not happy with the crew & they do not turn up They DO NOT get a start next time.
I have too many crew. We have a race crew of 7, Social Crew "Twilights" 10+ on some nights.
Chris & Rod I think you are playing a game that is going to come unstuck. No Crew - No Sailing |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 22 November 2005 : 7:20:17 PM
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No problems Kev, we have a large back-up of crews, its' simply a matter of sorting them all out. Yes we have been racing with three up on the last two races, but the ones that keep turning up will be retained & the the newies will be trialed. For the weekenders the core will always be Rod & myself and Ian & Andy will come on when they can make it. Ian has his dental practice & Andy is a Deputy High School Headmaster. We also have a list of temporary crews. We will be trialing a new one this comming Friday, just gunnel weight.
The last posting is to encourage others to get into the bigger boats & that some partnerships can be made to work.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 22 November 2005 : 9:33:49 PM
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Chris/Rod - only worried about you guys, the boat does not work without people. They are there for a. to pull strings and b. to have fun.
The fun side is the most important.
Just a bit worried.
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Sasha
Helmsman
838 Posts |
Posted - 24 November 2005 : 10:38:58 AM
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On the original topic of "A new E30"...We spotted another, previously unknown, E30 in Tassie.
She is sitting in a front yard of an industrial estate in Kingston. She is an E30 MkII, named Alida, formerly called Scorpio (you can still read the old name through the transom paint).
She looks like she has taken a serious knock on the starboard bow toerails which has been nearly repaired now, she is currently missing her rudder and there was no sign of the mast nearby. No one was around to ask questions of.
Interestingly enough, she has the MkII single level cabin house as well as the recessed deck/Bulwarks of a MkI (at least towrads the bow, where we could see up through a hole. If there had been a ladder I probably would have climbed it for a better look).
So chalk up another one!
I will be back in Tassie in a couple of motnhs, and will stop in for another look to see if there was progress, or if someone is around to talk to...or at least leave a note with this site's contact details)
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 November 2005 : 11:17:48 AM
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Good spotting Sasha,
Did you take any photos of the Caroline or the other E30s', re this new unknown boat?
Did you get your Huon Pine Dinghy?
How is Margaret ect?
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 24 November 2005 : 12:59:57 PM
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Margaret fine. It was just the two of us on the Spirit on the way home. She went to the Doc's today and was told that the baby is doing perfectly and has just this morining settled into the "ready now" position. Saturday seems to be the "right" day in my estimation.
The huon pine dinghy did indeed come back with us. I meant to take a pic of it on top of the ute as it looked like some sort of viking campervan...but I forgot and we have now taken it off.
The friend I left it with took good care of it and in the six years it has been stored it has not so much as recieved a scratch. He lost one oar, but they were not original or very good oars, so I am not in the least upset.
I got some more nifty pics of Caroline, as well as a brand new CD ROM of pics from Leigh. The sailbag/lazyjack arrangement for the main is especially innovative in that it is better then any of the commercial systems I have seen. Or at least it equals the best of their features without all the bulk and weight and proprietary fastening gizmos.
I did not see Zero Balance (the other "known" E30) while I was down there, nor did I get any photos of the mystery "Alida"...pure chance that we happened to be moving a friend's pottery studio at the time we saw her.
If you want more caroline pics, just let me know. I could just about be convinced to set up a dedicated website/online shrine with lots of pics of that boat.
Sasha
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 24 November 2005 : 1:16:00 PM
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| Sasha, On line would drop Australia Post's profit margin down for posting CD's! If you get it going, I am happy to answer any questions about how/why I did things. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 November 2005 : 6:03:59 PM
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Theres' no need to go to too much trouble Sasha, just email the photos of the Caroline to me when you have time....Like yesterday!!
Pity you did not get any happy snaps of the other E30, maybe next time. We have been busy sorting systems in the Hagar out, as well as crews. However we are getting there, if ever so slowly & the revised list I made today is getting longer. I'm planing to do a big days work this Saturday if Hagar is not off cruising. We still do not know if we are racing in the Nationals yet. Both Rod & Ian are going to be in Tasmania, of all places. So if we do get there we will most likely need you and Margaret. Will talk with Andy on Saturday if he's at the Club.
Here is a technical question for you. Should I use a teflon/plastic or alloy plate for the Rudder Skirts?
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 24 November 2005 : 6:15:38 PM
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Sasha your site would be great, to start with Caroline would just be a starter and I think the technical advise would be fantastic.
Would be a lot easier to post photos and stories with photos to back it up.
I must admit I am guility, I tried to post photos on this site early and a couple are posted but it was too hard and have not done anything since.
So lets go, how do we help.
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