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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
 Posted - 24 November 2005 : 9:17:45 PM
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At this stage it looks like I have a crew & will be sailing at the Nationals in January. Ian is in, Roger is available & Andy is interested & will probably sail if all the others are aboard. Still have to find out about Andys' brother, Phil. Much the same crew as at the 40th.
Looking forward to racing aginst the other E30s 28's & 27's.
The Race Committee is a bit tight with only one set of trophies while the 24's & 26's get it all. Lets hope they have learnt how to start races!
Chris.
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David
Helmsman
Australia
232 Posts |
Posted - 24 November 2005 : 9:44:07 PM
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Maybe we can start first and leave the 26's to have as many recalls and overlines as they want.
Some may come back others may keep going but at least the follwing class won't be penalised.
Seems a good idea when you think there will most probably only be 8-10 27+, just get them out of the way of the bigger fleets.
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Sasha
Helmsman
838 Posts |
Posted - 24 November 2005 : 9:50:59 PM
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Chris, does this mean you will not be requiring Margaret and myself? If this is the case, I need to get back to trying to hunt down a temporary 26!
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 November 2005 : 6:26:27 PM
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Sasha,
At this stage it looks like we will only have room for one. Spent today tied up at the marina working on the Hagar. Werner, the owner of the E26 Hagar Too works weekends at the marina driving the tender. They say that he's broken a bone in his foot & has been off work. Will look again tomorrow. Suggest that if you are keen to drive your own E26 to keep hunting.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 November 2005 : 9:50:32 PM
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As threatened I spent the day working on the Hagar IV. An amazing day with four seasons in the one day. Got down late after rain, mist & drizel. Got out to the boat in the light rain & by the time I tied up against the marina it was stating to clear. The next time I looked the sun was out & in the afternoon the wind had gone through 180 degrees & a great Northeaster.
However work was done & a lot of the annoying litte jobs were completed with the cleaning & painting of the inside cockpit, vents attached to the locker door, painting out storage lockers, cut out & installed riser pads for the back-up cleats to the clutches. We should spend the money & buy new clutches! Took some photos of the backstay supports inside the transum. They appear to be bolted through the rear deck and down through supporting timber backing pads. Then vacumed out the inside and cleaned up. Returned the boat to its' mooring & went home about 5.30pm.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 02 December 2005 : 1:18:15 PM
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Following last weeks work on the Hagar IV I re-vised our work / job list. It's not getting any shorter, just better organised. We will try to get as much done as possible by Christmas so everyone can go cruising in comfort. At the moment we are trying out a big range of sheets for correct lengths & thicknesses. Rod is a bower bird & his basement is a ships chandlery.
We will be racing at the Manly YC Twilighter race.
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 02 December 2005 : 3:45:18 PM
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Now now Chris, just cause you've stepped up a size don't bite the hand that feeds!! :)
I think we would have a fairer chance of prizes on H/cap for you guys as the fleet will be so varied (think you will see on boat dominate line honors - not saying who) and we hope the "Top Yacht" programme will sort it all out properly.
As for you guys starting first - no way - watch and learn :) Anymore dispariging comments will be sent to the starter - then we will see who gets recalled!!!! |
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Sasha
Helmsman
838 Posts |
Posted - 02 December 2005 : 6:22:34 PM
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Hi Colin, Did you get my email about needing a copy of the notice of race and so forth?
Sasha
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 02 December 2005 : 9:19:05 PM
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Alex - no!
tuffyclan5@optusnet.com.au is the place to send (even a blank email) so as aI can attatch and reply - my sailing skill is better than my grasp of the computer world!
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 December 2005 : 9:27:22 PM
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Today Rod & I spent the afternoon pottering about on board the Hagar IV, as we do.
Rod has taken on the decoration & beautification of the dunny area & sanded down and varnished the timber work.
I was making up teak blocks to seat the kite pole on deck. I also got down & again crawled up the stern to look & photograph the backstay fittings from the inside. It was a tight fit, and I'm not getting any smaller. We have a family of spiders up the stern! Anyway the central attachment fitting which Splinter has been getting excited about looks to be happy in our boat. It is a SS metal rod shaped into a triange and heavily matt glassed into the stern of the hull. The only problem is that where the fitting exits the hull it has moved slightly over the years and has apparently allowed the entry of some moisture. This should not be a problem at this time.
The only future problem may be the work hardening of the rod about the exit point. Could this be a possablity?
Apart from the filth, spiders and lack of ventilation it looks OK up the stern.
I will post some of the photos when I get to my work computer Monday.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 04 December 2005 : 05:53:36 AM
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There will be no racing at North Harbour today because of sickness in the other boat. However there should be about four yachts racing the following Sunday. So today Rod, Pete & myself will be again tinkering about on the Hagar IV. Pete will be looking at the calibration of the instruments. We are about 0.7 of a knot quicker on port as compared to starbord. It could be the jib sheeting positions or instrument calibration. The wind instrument is totally out of wack. There are a lot of other should do jobs to be completed.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 05 December 2005 : 11:17:32 AM
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Yesterday afternoon Rod, Pete & myself went motoring about North Harbour in the Hagar IV. The other two spent the time attempting to re-callibrate the log as well as the wind instruments. Well these three instruments look to be very old and are branded "Standard" "Horizon", which we have discovered are an early brand of Navman. The depth was easy, however the boat speed log & windspeed instruments defied all their attempts to be entered into the sections which control the apparent problem area. And so we are now going to have to open the purse & let out the moths & spend some money on one of the pros to try to re-calibrate the instruments. We will most likely end up buying new instruments anyway! I spent the afternoon carving teak blocks for the kite pole to sit upon on the deck. Nice afternoon, watched a big 41 foot Beneteau get knocked over and self tacked in a westerly gust in north harbour.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 06 December 2005 : 11:24:20 AM
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For some months now Rod & I have been debating & arguing over the subject of sail shape vs rig tension. Now this is a vexed question with our class of E30s' being so small that the only way to get any competition & feedback is at the few regattas we attend and to talk on the website.
The argument goes like this,
1. Splinter use their backstay & baby stay together to bend the mast and thereby flatten their main & jib as the wind strength increases.
Now I have been experimenting & found that this technique works well on the Hagar IV if done in the correct sequence.
2. Rod argues that the boats were never designed to have this much rig tension & there will be fitting & boat failures, hence the backstay problems currently experienced. He maintains that the sails should be cut to the boat & mast and there should not be the rig big rig tensions. He also maintains that the spreaders being in a sideways position & not swept bak as in the newer designs place the mast in high compression.
We invite further constructive comment on this discussion.
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 06 December 2005 : 3:31:43 PM
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I think the venerable Rod may be wrong here!
If you think of the 30 as a blown up 26 (in rig and sail plan it's close)then remember the loads you and other fast boats put on them! As they were not made with adjustable back stays to start with, the spreaders are not swept and if you want to come play the "e" string that is my inner fore stay - you will agree that the rigs are and can be loaded up.
Yes stuff will break/snap/tear after time and use.
I say check your fittings, put a safety on the back stay and sail/set it up the same as you did on the 26 - see how you preform! And Rod - it's only money:) :) :) |
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 06 December 2005 : 4:10:36 PM
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| Don't all fall over, but a comment from the West...Colin I agree with you, we semi flog Endeavours in racing rather than cruising, along the way, you realise these tough craft are just that. We over here take our No 1 down only above 25 kts...this is not what RG intended. However he did build a durable craft, if you want to be competitive, check the fittings regularly, cut the sails to the boat AND your requirements, rigging and fittings accordingly and you will get hull speed plus out of your trusty ship. I concede we race mostly on the Swan, and only 24's, but a lot of us regularly sail to Rotto and get a feel for the ocean as well. |
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 06 December 2005 : 6:10:39 PM
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Thanks for your comments Guys. While I agree with most of what you are saying Colin, the E30 is somewhat different to the other Endeavours in end elevation. The E28 is closer to a E26 than a E30 for underwater shape. The old E30 with its extended keel to the skeg makes tacking a slow manuver. Rod & I will contiue to debate the subject of rig tensions & sail shape. Eventually we will begin upgrading our sail wardrobe.
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 06 December 2005 : 11:10:13 PM
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Hi All,
Here's a comment from me. I have experimented with adjustable inner forestays with disasterous results. The loading that develops on the inner forestay is much higher than you can imagine, especially when you carry a shy kite in strong winds. If the inner forestay or lowers fail that telegraph pole of a mast will snap about half way up. (I have broken 3) I/m convinced you should just have enough backstay tension to keep the genoa luff reasonably tight. I know some riggers leave the lower stays loose to allow the mast to bend but I prefer to use similar tensions on uppers and lowers. The stronger it blows the more backstay tension should be applied. I doubt the Endeavour masts were ever intended to bend. Get rid of those slugs if you want to go faster. Don't forget that efficient crew work can take off minutes around the track.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 07 December 2005 : 1:02:14 PM
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Good stuff Adrian,
Under what conditions did you loose your masts, either on or off the breeze and what failed in each case?
We always let the backstay off when we pull away to go downwind & crank it on hard for on the breeze. We only pull the baby stay on hard for going upwind in heavy stuff.
Rod never adjusted the baby stay in the Hagar Too (E26) & did not use the backstay very much. Hence their reliance on sail shape which was cut to the mast shape. It worked good!
I agree with your comments on crew work. The boat that wins is usually the boat that makes the least number of errors.
My own experience in skiffs was that we ended up throwing away the hydrolics etc & used a block & tackel with a leaver to set the boat up on the beach & it was fixed for the race. Over time we found that there was an optimum tension setting which worked, even in the heavy stuff. We used a combination of a mast leaver at the front of the mast in combination with the vang to control both the mast bend & leach tension.
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 07 December 2005 : 11:00:34 PM
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Re mast breaks. On one occasion the relatively new pulley which we placed at the base of the inner forstay pulled apart. We had just pulled up a shy kite in a strong noreast breeze. It just wasn't strong enough. On another occasion a lower stay broke on the wind.. It was due for replacement. On another occasion while on a reach a split pin became dislodged at the base of a lower stay. The rig was almost new. So was the mast. In every occasion the mast snapped where the lower stays met the mast.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 07 December 2005 : 11:27:30 PM
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Adrian,
Losing a rig is not very pleasant and your experiences are valuable for the rest of us to learn from.
For anyone considering going offshore, preparation is even more critical than close in. I have unfortunately been crew on a boat where we lost a rig right in the middle of Bass Strait during a Sydney race - we had got through the typical very hard SW front and were sailing in relatively light conditions when it came down. We think we had done the damage in the hard stuff but all we have are theories on what went really. Needless to say it was a very expensive and incredibly long deep sea flounder spear when we cut it away - pretty eerie seeing a masthead light so far below the water just before you cut the wires to it! My lesson learnt is how valuable emergency procedures are - have good bolt cutters, hacksaws, everyone needs to know what to do. The radio operator needs to prevent use of the HF until the emergency antenna is fitted (as in prevent damage to people and probably the radio). By all means let people know what has happened and that all is OK, but it does not even rate a "Pan Pan" unless you are in danger or have someone injured. Preparation prevents panic. |
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