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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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 Posted - 11 December 2005 : 8:30:06 PM
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Yes we are still working on the Hagar IV. Its' a never surrender love hate relationship & well may you ask the question, why does he bother, well....your still reading it after several months & it still is the most read bit of trivia on the site. And to tell the truth, it keeps me interested & makes me accountable to all of you to finish the booming jobs.
The jobs which I have set myself this week is to finish the jobs started last week!
1. The new floor boards are all cut out and the two larger after pieces fit nicely, while the small piece which fits up against the engine needs some trimming off the forward sides to fit into the side groves. Then I only have to finish varnishing them.
2. The sliding stove cover is completed & varnished and only has to go down to the boat.
3. We started to drill out the holes for the two U-bolts which are to be fixed to the frount of the mast base this morning, however we did not have the correct drill bit. So thats a job to be done maybee during the week, if time permits.
4. Have to finish shaping the kite pole teak bases & fit to the foredeck.
And there is heaps more, but perhaps another day.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 13 December 2005 : 1:49:33 PM
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On Sunday after the race rod pulled apart the deck mounted instrument box and we finally got to see what was on the back of each of the three instruments, including model number etc. It turns out that these instruments, Standard Horizon were manufactured in New Zealand under licence from Navman in the USA.
So Rod has forwarded on the details to the manufacturer via email and we hope to get back a manual so that we can calibrate the Log and the wind direction instruments which are out of wack. The techo is not available until the new year.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 December 2005 : 7:12:16 PM
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Today had a mid-week powow with Rod reguarding the work progress on the Hagar IV. Do not have any idea how much we have really spent on her, over $52,000.00 to date. Rod said that it took ten years for him to get the Hagar Too E26 to anywhere near as far as we have come in the past nine months with our current E30. We have a few jobs to complete as well as replacing a jib halliard & we will be almost ready for the Nationals. The old/new mainsail will be re-cut before the nationals & we are looking at a new one. All of the clutches systems are working with back-up cleats & we will eventually replace two sets of double clutches which are slipping. I addition to this we need to revise our job procurement lists to make Catagory 4-3.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 December 2005 : 7:52:12 PM
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| Chris, I suspect that if you added a respray, refrigeration, HF radio, new gas oven etc' you would come up with a sum not unlike what we spent on "Caroline" ..... good luck with the rest of the work! |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 December 2005 : 9:00:11 PM
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No Leigh, we will not be puting all that heavy stuff aboard the Hagar IV & only the respray you mentioned might happen in a few years. However if you know of a very lightweight fridge for the coldies we are interested. All the work is to get everything working efficently to race at Cat 3. The last major outlay will be an new wardrobe of racing sails and that will be built up over a number of seasons as we can afford them. The Hagar IV is an identical sister to the Splinter which we suspect are basic Mark 1 E30s with the normal factory fit-out. There were apparently some variations, such as the Hollywood with the engine located under the cockpit and with a saloon table.
The outstanding boat which I have seen was the Murphys Lore, re Swan Song, an E30 Mark 2, with its gold leaf rubbed walls in the head, the red velvet saloon cushions and red ceder timber panneling. A varitable sin bin on the water!
The wash-up will mean that our boat will end up Cat 3, will be safe, well handicaped and be worth a lot more with that Cat 3 bit of paper.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 December 2005 : 10:26:26 PM
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Chris,
The lightweight fridge I can help with.....
I retrofitted one of the iceboxes (yes, we fibreglassed two in!!) with an Isotherm ASU 3200 12 Volt unit. The compressor measured about 300W by 200H by 150D and weights about 2.5kg (mounts up the back of the boat). The stainless brine tank probably weighted around 1.5kg and simply screwed into the icebox. It came with pregassed pipes a few metres long with quick connects - just drill a hole in the side of the icebox and poke them through, then patch up. Pipes connected at the compressor. Put 12 volts onto the compressor (nice and quiet and efficient - inverter fan) and connect the premade control wires onto the compressor and brine tank. Freezes down to -14oC or theromostat setting. I had not an ounce of trouble in over 5 years, including having it flat out for weeks at an end when on long trips. The only thing not lighweight about it was the price - around $1850. Would be pretty easy to remove later on if neccesary.
I agree with keeping it light as possible for racing - I would be doing the same.
The 5kg for a fridge unit shouldn't slow you down as much as the resultant loss of concentration from the coldies!!!
Now all you have to debate is if cold beer takes a higher priority for purchase than a new No3 headsail?? |
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 14 December 2005 : 10:27:58 PM
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| By the way, from the photo's I have seen of Hagar IV she looked very neat, so I am not sure about needing a respray! |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 15 December 2005 : 09:29:25 AM
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Leigh, I would say that the Hagar IV is in "fair" condition. The best paint finish is undoubtedly the Splinters'. A Beautifully finished paint job. There is another Mark 2 E30 up at Broken Bay which is white with a yellow stipe and she is a nice looking boat. The Swan Song is also a good looker. After over thirty years in the weather the boats can still come up remarkably good
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 15 December 2005 : 9:11:21 PM
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Chris,
I agree, even the original deck moulding/finish on "Caroline" came up well once I hit the right gear to use. Basically what the top shipwrights use down here are commercial automotive products.
Since the topsides were resprayed, we used a coat of 3M Premium Liquid Wax most times she was slipped.
After a few years we brought it back up to sparkling by using a Farecla GMOP High Density foam buffer fitted to an electric buffer (not a grinder - they are too fast), Farecla G3 cutting paste and a water spray pack for lubrication while doing it. Next was a coat of the 3M Premium Liquid Wax, then two easy coats of Liquid Hardwax 0074 (just wipes on and gives a UV protective high gloss coat). Used this same thing on the original deck moulding/finish with great results as well. 3kg of cutting paste approx $75, GMOP buffer approx $32, 5l liquid hardwax approx $60, 3M premuim liquid wax approx $90 for 4.5l. Not cheap but great results.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 16 December 2005 : 10:36:33 PM
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Rod got back some info from the New Zealand branch of Horizon Navman regarding our instruments. They provided a manual for the depth sounder, which is good but not necessary or needed. They also gave some instructions for doing the Factory Set-Up on the Log as well as the Wind Instrument. They are going to try and procure manuals from the USA.
Rod & Pete got to before this afternoons twilighter had re-set the Log, which is now in sinc with Rods GPS. The Wind Instrument did not co-operate fully & we need to do some more work upon it. The Speed looked OK but the direction was still a bit out of allignment at times.
Had a great sail and came second over the line on Handicap in a fleet of about 30 odd yachts.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 December 2005 : 09:27:08 AM
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Some of our gunnel SS Staunchons are bent inwards due to the kite braces which been placing pressure on the wires. We have now largely fixed this with the jockey pole, but the stauntions are bent. I have tested the staunchons and they will come out with a lot of effort, however how do you straighten them without work hardening the metal?
I do recall Sasha writing something on this some time ago but have not found it. Any ideas? |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 18 December 2005 : 12:18:00 PM
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In all honesty, it would probably be easiest to pull out the offending two staunchions and mail them to me. I will send them back straightened.
My brain is a big hessian sack of fuzz right now, the baby had a rough night and sleep was something that happened in ten minute increments for both of us...So my ability to clearly explain normalising, pickling and polishing the straightened stanchions is going to be a little unreliable this morning...
Whoever designed the supersoaker water cannon has been inspired by a newborn projectile vommiting. I am sure of it.
Sasha The Zombie.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 December 2005 : 2:48:22 PM
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Dear Sasha,
Welcome to the wonderfull world of fatherhood. And you only have one at this stage! We had two babies with gastic and had no sleep in two and a half days on one occasion. Remember the old saying "& this too must come to pass", and it shall, believe me. We now have four teenagers and are going through the dramas of childhood love, rebellion, and all the problems associated with children becoming adults.
Believe me when I say this, that your problems are all small at the moment.
Thank you for the offer on the staunchions, I will confer with Rod and see If he wants to send them down to you.
Did you recieve my email about the Hagar Too?
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 5:26:57 PM
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Chris,
Removing the stanchions from the boat and heating them prior to using a vice of the like seems to work OK if they are bent half way up.
If they are bent right at the base, may be easier to still take them off the boat, but cut them at the base and reweld straight.
Either usually means new lifelines if they have swaged eyes. If you are lucky they may sill be long enough after cutting one swage off and reswaging after straightening the stanchions (if they need any more than 100mm of lashing they won't meet Y.A). Or you could take all the stanchions off so you don't have to cut the swage away. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2005 : 9:26:46 PM
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Leigh,
We plan, at this time to remove both sides of staunchions together, wrap them up & possibly ship them to Sasha so that he can heat, straighten & pickel or what ever they do to fix the work hardening problems. There is no problem with cutting the safety lines, either by us or by Sasha if necessary. We can just cut one end & when re-attaching and swaging terminal ends to the cut wire tips. Our wire lines look OK and it would be a waste to have to use new ones. However in our Club there are a lot of skiff shrouds hanging about which will never be used again.
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Sasha
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 10:01:09 PM
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Actually, the second thing I did after building a swaging tool out of a cheapy set of big chinese bolt cutters was to buy a second set and build a tool for neatly cutting through the swages without damaging the wires.
Cheap chinese tools are a wonderful resource for experimenting with building new tools!
If I recall correctly, the stanchions on board Hagar are straight up and down without the funny 30degree bend that some 26's have...and they plug into sockets built directly into the bulwharks/raised toe rails. Have I got that right?
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 22 December 2005 : 04:32:23 AM
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Sounds correct to me Sasha. They only get bent when one leans heavily upon them or, in our case when the kite & jib brace lines are heavily up against the safety lines & bend the staunchion inwards. They come out reasonabley easily with some consistent grunt. If I remember I'll take some photos while pulling one out.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 December 2005 : 07:28:48 AM
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I don't know why we had not noticed it before, but last week end after packing up Rod & I got to & lifted the middle floor board in the Hagar IV to pump & sponge out the bilge as well as greasing the stern gland. These are now just routine jobs. There was about a bucket full of water in the bilge & the sump & Rod was just moving the main bilge hose to sponge the flat bilge surface above the keel. Now the bilge hose is a black hose about two inches in diameter. It slid down the back and into the sump by itself, and, hay-presto it fitted perfectly! The penny dropped and after pulling on the pump lever about three times the bilge & sump were empty.[:-dunce] The hose had always been on the flat keel top surface & we never used this pump & Ian had recently pruchased a small brass hand pump.
This boat never ceases to amaze & teach us new things.
Anyway, to all, a happy and safe Xmas.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 December 2005 : 7:33:24 PM
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This morning I had to visit my office and complete six hours of office work. Oh the joys of being self-employed. Having completd the tasks I ventured home & took a leave pass from SWMBO'd & went down to North Harbour SC where I found the boys on the deck sipping. After an hour or so we bought the Hagar into the work berth & completed two outstanding jobs. Just fixing the two U-Bolts to the mast base and re-installing the lower baby stay cover after I had re-shaped it.
Rod had also purchased a new 8mm Jib Halliard for the second jib and an Eperb for the boat. He tells me that this brings us up to about Cat 4.
We also chatted about the future stategy for the yachts further development, ie,
1. To Cat3
2. New Sails,
3. A rubber ducky, etc.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 25 December 2005 : 11:15:32 AM
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Good Morning All, & seasons greetings. Sasha, Rod wishes to take you up on your kind offer to straighten our staunchions if the offer is still there. When can you do it?, how much and can you email me the details to my home email, which is: smrs@optusnet.au.com
Hopping you have a good Christmas.
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A New E30
