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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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 Posted - 07 May 2005 : 06:01:39 AM
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All,
We had fixed hard tanks made for both the water and the fuel. Fuel is 85l and takes up under the port side midships berth just about fully. Water is 95l and takes up under the sbd midships berth just about fully. Despite having a fresh water cooled motor (hence could run a conventional boat hot water tank), we elected not to fit one due to space, also we didn't want to have to run the motor for an hour just so we had hot water for a shower (Beneteaus are like this), also wanted to be a bot water concious for extended cruising. So my solution was to continue to heat hot water on our gas oven in a jug, made a 4.5l tank out of a piece of 150mm diameter PVC pipe, fitted a screw lid, glued bottom and a simple 12V pump. All very neat on the back of a hinged locker door for access, a proper shower head showing on the outside. I have also fitted a salt water pressure pump, so turning on one tap activates the salt pump (have as many salt showers as you like!), turning on the other one activates the pump for the hot water topped up into the container. If you are a bit careful we get two showers out of the 4.5l. Will try and take some photos. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2005 : 4:43:22 PM
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Work progress on our E30, the new Hagar was very slow this week with the boys' being preoccupied with the sale of the "old Hagar", the E26. She was sold quickly to a local of North Harbour chap who knew her track record & was keen to exchange. So she is gone & that is one less headache. We only managed a few hours of work on Saturday with a stream of sightseers. We fitted the new engine box as well as the renervated dam-buoy. The sparky worked on her during the week & cleaned up all of the redundent wiring & hardwired in the bilge pump as well as re-organising the system in general. All the instuments are working & next week the mast goes back in having been welded & sleeved. All new rigging wires as well as wind instrumentation on the mast head. The sparky will then finish the fuse switch box as well as plugging in the mast.
We have a slim hope of sailing next weekend.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2005 : 11:14:12 AM
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Work on the E30, Hagar continues to be steady but slow & the weekend again saw the Sparky hard at it. The Electrics are now only awaiting the re-installation of the mast, which is promised to be in by this weekend. Just a few globes & fluro lights. I have been making a timber & perspex cover for the fuse-swith box. Went out on Tueday morning & got a bit wet finding all of the leaks. Water was seeping through fittings in the ceiling as well as defying gravity & coming up throungh the after port window where there is some mould under the sillicon. There still remains a load of work to do & it will take years or thousands of dollars to bring her up to the "Caroline" standard.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 04:50:52 AM
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Chris,
It has taken years AND thousands of dollars in my case!
Only way I have found to stop leaks is to totally remove the offending fitting, clean it and its spot up, then reseat with Sikaflex (don't use anything else or you will be back doing it again - learnt that the hard way). Let it sqeeze out the sides of the join and trim off later with a knife. I was also lucky to have an electrical back ground and a lot of experienced boat building type mates to teach and assist me on "Caroline"! Keep up the good work!!.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2005 : 4:53:09 PM
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Leigh,
Thanks for the encouragement, we are pressing on. Have just got off the phone from one of the partners, a total of 4, who was just having his first beer on a work junket in Canberra, bloody public servants! And Ian is in the USA. We were developing a works task & priority list. Ian is the Dentist so he gets to put together the medical chest, Andy is on the motor & mechanical & I'm doing the cabinet repairs. Rod can find & fix some of the leaks etc. We are all getting too old to take years to finish her, we wish to enjoy sailing next weekend!
Regards, Chris. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2005 : 06:28:40 AM
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Good morning Endeavourers,
Have insomnia this morning awake at 3.30am! Spent yesterday with Andy working on the Hagar & completed a few tasks. The cabinet door is on, fits & is varnished & the fuse box perspex cover is also installed & with one coat of varnish.
Rod was down later & attempted to lift fittings off the deck & re-bed with stikaflex to fix the leaks. The problem he found was was with the cheek guide blocks for the halliards. There are three layers of material in the coach house deck & you need an extended socket to get at the bolt nuts through two layers below the first layer of glass from inside the cabin ceiling. There are also cables etc running interference. We will grind them off!
We are still without a long kite pole. Does anyone have the lengths for a full pole & a whisker pole which are used on E30s'? Work will continue today. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 22 May 2005 : 8:11:05 PM
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Sunday the 22.05.2005
We spent the afternoon re-sealing fittings to the coach-house with sikafex & had major dramas with the coach-house roof where they had drilled right through & bolted the fitting down to the top layer & apparently used tube spanners? to fix them. Rod went off & purchased a set of these spanners. What we would like to know is this. Are there any drain holes for the inner layer or layers of decking & ceiling? We could not find any and the previous owner has painted over a lot of sins & possibly these drainholes. Rod says that there were drain holes on the E26. Any answers would be appreciated.
We also re-varnished Saturdays work. Loads of sanding & varnishing to do & the old mast is in the hands of the rigger & looks good & goes back on the boat this week.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 22 May 2005 : 9:52:18 PM
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Mine had no drain holes other then the inset rows of organiser blocks, which were lower down then the sliding hatch. I had wondered about it too, but on closer examination realised that the water would just drain out past the rope.
Sasha
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The more I know about horses, the more I love sailboats.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 08:58:59 AM
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Chris, I had a similar problem with water collecting in that cavity. If I am reading it correctly it is where the halyards and toppers go through the void just to the rear of the mast. It takes the place of rope organisers on the deck.
When I first got Splinter the ropes we black and mouldie in the cavity. I could not find any drain holes so I just drilled a very small drain hole on both sides of the cabin about 1/3 of the way down the cabin sides. I tried to determine how far the cavity went down towards the windows but could not find it. So just took a punt.
On a similar subject, I would like to find out how to refix the Teak handrails to the cabin top. I am not sure how the nuts are fixed inside this cavity.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 10:06:01 AM
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Thanks for that Kevin,
What you did is what Rod wants to do, drill. Now I'm a little more conservative about drilling into the cabin & this afternoon plan to sikafex up the rope holes.
In answer to your question, there appears to be tree layers in the cabin roof. The outer thick skin, the ceiling which is thin & another one which is also thin in the centre. To fasten the cheek blocks at the frount of the cabin they must have drilled the holes for the bolts, four per side & then uses a 25mm hole saw to drill from the inside through the two lower layers of glass. They then inserted the bolts from the top & used a tube spanner with the nut inserted to screw onto the bolts & tighten as Rod did rotating the nut & myself holding the spanner & finally tightening from the inside. To seal the ceiling they used a pad with sikaflex to glue & self tapper the pad to the ceiling. The "danger" which you will encounter is the miriad of cables & ducting which goes through the cavity. So if you dril, use a fine bit & feel your way or the job might get really interesting.
We also removed another pad adjacent to the companionway below the starbord winch. There was nothing there but filth. Suggest you remove the sliding hatch & have a look with a torch.
Have estimated the Kite pole to be from 3.5 to 3.6 metres long. Is that near it?
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2005 : 11:47:32 AM
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Thanks Chris,
Will have to reconsider my options re the Handrails, as one end is loose and is becoming dangerous.
Re the Spinnaker pole , it is about the 3.6, I will advise the length next time I go to the Boat.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 5:03:53 PM
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Tuesday the 24th May.
This afternoon went down to to North Harbour & found the "Hagar" alongside Manly Boatshed wharf & the riggers hard at work fitting her out to recieve the mast which goes in today or tomorrow morning. Hurrah!
I took 18 loose plywood locker & hatch covers off the boat. Have started ripping off the old varnish which is stained & water soaked. Cleaned up six before I ran out of 60 grit. It will be Rod & his son who will have the first excursion this weekend for Mikes birthday.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 24 May 2005 : 6:04:46 PM
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Hi Chris,
Got a opportunity this afternoon to check "Splinter". Will be going to Batemans Bay tomorrow.
Some States. Spinnaker Pole. Beck to Beck ours 3.4 m (But we put an insert in to replace some corrision so the measurement should about 3.6)
Whisker Pole Beak to Beak 1.8 I designed that, and it works for us.
re the Spinnaker pole, I think it could be a bit longer, I am not an expert but I think another 300 or possibibly 600 on the pole may help down hill.
The distance of the becks is not relevant as you can always push the pole forward. However in light airs, the bigger the pole you can get the pole and kite out. Just my thoughts with a big kite.
Chris just try to balance your boat!
Have you worn you fingers down with the sand paper yet.
I am looking forward to October weekend to seeing "Hager III"
Re the name, still sounds like you need the horns on a safety helmet, what about "the Big Hagar" or "Hagars" or "the Horney Hagar's" or "Hagar's revenge" or "Hagar lives' again" or "Roddie's Hager"
The mind boggles, Lets get suggestions from the forum. Has anybody got suggestion for Rod & Chris ?
I know this is a bag of worms !
Go for it.
cheers,
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2005 : 10:06:45 PM
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| I made a new kit pole last year - not hard to do yourself. The old kite pole was tapered both ends and the pins were too thin and tended to bend all the time (got sick of straightening them!). Went with the recomendation of the local chandler - two RF1662 pole ends ($246) and 3.5M of 3mm wall thickness aluminium tubing ($65 from Capral Aluminium). Don't use 2mm wall thickness as it is not strong enough. By the way, the word I got after a lot of chasing, is that aluminium manufacturers have rationalised sizes, meaning that you have to shave a bit off the RF1662 pole ends until they fit neatly into the tube. Monel rivets, a couple of stainless rings and some 4mm spectra for the "pull" lines, downhaul (if you run a lazy brace system) and topper complete the job. The jocky pole I have is around 1M long and of simular construction. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 10:02:26 AM
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Thanks for that Leigh & Kevin.
We are looking at 3.5 to 3.6 metre kite pole, but will wait for the sailmaker to come out on the boat and give us his opinion as well. We will also get him to measure the luff round in the mainsail & have the luffs recut in the two mainsils if needed as well as getting the sail plan re-evaluated & a new one drawn up for the future. The riggers were still fitting out the boat yesterday & awaiting the return of one of the spreader arms which they fund a crack in & sent off to be welded. I helped them move the mast with all the new wires. Man was it heavy! Lets hope it breaks & we will get a carbon stick.
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ianwwatson
Main Sheet Hand
Australia
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Posted - 26 May 2005 : 7:04:46 PM
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G'day fellas,
I looked at changing the fuel tanks in my motor sailer to soft tanks and found that Whitworths have them in various sizes for both fuel and water.
While on showers, my mate who has a small TS came up with a great idea that works really well. He purchased a large garden spray unit of I think about 10L,
and fitted a low flow hand held shower rose to the spray hose, with an on /off valve at the rose. He then boils a kettle of water and adds it to approximately the same volume of cold, pumps up the pressure with the built in pump and presto
one hot shower coming up.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2005 : 7:55:29 PM
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Thank you for that information Ian, we will certainly keep it in mind. At the moment we are busy geting our boat sailable. Have you looked at the E30s'. I looked at the E26 myself as some of my friends have sailed one for the past 10 years & have been out with them on numerous occasions. However I fell in love with the E30 because not only is she the best looking Endeavour, but she is so versatile. Good for harbour as well as offshore racing. Built like a brick, most are now 30 years old, which our boat is and does not have any osmosis etc. They are a very safe boat in big sea & wind. Have a diesel engine and are a very big 30 foot boat downstairs. You get a lot of boat for your money. They are hard to find to purchase and normally sell quickly. The mark 2 E30 makes a great cruising yacht, while our Mark 1 will be a racing cruiser.
Good luck with your new boat, Chris Cope |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2005 : 8:39:27 PM
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Friday @ 8.20pm,
Just returned from the Hagar with Rod. The mast is in and she looks great. We replaced the removeable timber work which has one coat of varnish. The mainsail guide pins installed by the sailmaker are too big, so Rod will put on the new main. All the nav & instruments lights work so Rod is set to go sailing tomorrow for the first time! The backstay is interesting with a 24 to 1 ratio and has a black spectra rope system. They fixed the mast step, replaced the forstay fittings, the baby stay system as well as the wire rigging. While awaiting for Rod to arrive I had a beer and an interesting conversation with the guys at the boat shed. Hugh Treharne, of America Cup fame was there and told me that the E30 is a very quick boat & he sailed against them in one tonners many years ago. He said that one day he could not sail & watched from a headland as the E30s' we crossing tacks with Plum Crazy off the breeze and that they were as fast as she was, and that the Plum C was recognised as the fastest one tonner of her time. Chris
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2005 : 09:00:23 AM
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| "Caroline" also has absolutely no signs of osmosis, so sounds like the layup technique for the E30 as a group was good. Have seen lots of osmosis on other boats of simular age. Good to hear the Hagar boys will be able to go for a sail - have fun guys!! There are a lot of half tonners (30 footers) in Hobart - the rigs are usually taller than "Caroline" and the boats themselves weight less - we only cruise her, so don't have a good comparision of speed, but I from the racing I have done on another half tonner over many years, I suspect we would be quite a deal slower on the race track. Hopefully you Endeavour racing types will prove my thoughts wrong!!! |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2005 : 09:41:25 AM
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Good morning Ian, Chris & Rob and all. I totally agree with Ian, "Splinter" was launched 1973 and not a spot of osmosis. I have had the under water line back to gelcoat and she looked like new. My congratulations to the boys off "Hagar" well done and hope all goes well.
I also have heard from older sailors who were around in the '70 & '80. The E30 did perform well in the 1/2 tonners and also rated well in IRC. They still perform well against boats of the vintage & design however the later designs such as Farr 30, Beneteau 27,30,32 and Dubois we cann't stay with. However the likes of Defiance, S&S and Cavalier 32 we are more than competitive.
I must agree with Ian, she is great Cruiser/Racer. It just depends on what you want to put inside. Also racing all yachts are on handicap, and the way I look at it, we get better value than the quick boats, we are out there longer !
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A New E30
