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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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 Posted - 27 June 2006 : 4:43:15 PM
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Well Rod has been off to the SS fitter and came back with what I expected. That the combination of the square bronze plate set in the raised fiberglass gunnel and with alloy tube over the top & four SS bolts passing through the SS base plate, alloy and screwed into the bronze have created a nice little battery resulting in the weak alloy metal corroding. He has ordered a new pair of SS tubes to replace the corroded alloy tubes.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 07 July 2006 : 7:42:52 PM
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Things are beginning to fall into place for our annual work weekend on the Hagar IV next weekend. Yesterday I went out and bought a new WC which will go in when she is up. The only problem envisaged is the skin fitting which has a seized handle and is always in the open position.
Any suggestions on how to free it up? It is up the bow & is the waste outlet off the WC and has a large metal leaver handle.
If we can get all the scheduled jobs done this time, then she will be a very efficient unit.
Tomorrow morning Rod & I are taking a casual forard hand out to pick up & tow back his yacht from Tailors Bay & while down there we will be doing some detective work on an unknown E30 lurking down that way. Will try & get some photos.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 09 July 2006 : 04:34:57 AM
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Chris,
While you are up on the slip, instal a new stainless skin fitting and valve. Don't muck around with anything else (had a new brass valve cark it after only 18 months in service, the plastic skin fittings tend to go brittle and are easier to break). Get an offcut of laid up 5mm thick fibreglass and epoxy it in place as a reinforcing plate around the hole when you have the old valve removed (make it really neat by flowcoating it). Seat the skin fitting in with Sikaflex, then use several latyers of waterproofing paint on the outside (Interprotect is the International Paints one) prior to touching up the antifouling. And if the old skin fitting is brass or bronze, just save yourself the frustration of trying to get it undone and cut it away with a grinder. I did four new ones on Sirocco like this recently. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 July 2006 : 4:57:42 PM
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Thanks for your suggestions Leigh. What type of SS skin fittings do you recommend? We will most likey not have enough time this weekend as there is a long list already but we will be cleaning and checking all of the skin fittings and may have to replace the toilet outlet and definatly the hand valve which has seized up inside, which is a must do. As we are at Middle Harbour there is the Dahlborah Marina just across the road so we can always skip over or send a runner to Whitworths for add-ons'.
At this stage cleaning her bottom and applying the rudder skirts as well as two to three coats of antifoul, the repainting of the topside racing go fast stripes, the as well as cleaning the white sides & touching her up with white paint are the main priorities with the toilet & the aft SS gunnel fittings attached if the SS tube arrives all cut & shaped to go on as secondarys,
The weather is not looking too good with rain predicted, but it was the same last year and tarps can always be set-up.
The invitation is open for visitors to inspect the Hagar IV out of the water and we will be on the eastern side of the Spit Saturday & Sunday.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 12 July 2006 : 12:31:17 PM
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Sorry Chris, love to assist, but,......tyranny of distance and all that stuff. Hope it all goes ok.
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Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 12 July 2006 : 8:25:28 PM
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Gee, Chris, would love to come & help. But I think SWSBOB has me going to the Coast to pick up all the tools I have left last trip.
I have just been told that the Pergola which I have been talking about for 4 years is going to be realised in the next 4 weeks. Season starts soon. So I think I should enjoy next weekend and plenty of work for the next 3 or 4 after.
SASHA, how is fatherhood going ?? have not heard from you for a while.
Please let us know how you are going.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 July 2006 : 8:14:24 PM
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This afternoon Rod, his son Mike & myself took the Hagar IV around to Middle Harbour and had her put up on the small slipway there. It is just over twelve months since we slipped & anti-fouled her. She was was in really good condition. We had used Altex and as Rod said, on the old Hagar E26 which they used International, would have had a lot of coral growth. The only growth on the E30 hull on which we had applied the Altex was a bit of slime, mainly around the water line. There was a few barnacles on the propeller shaft and some coral developing inside the hull water inlet & outlet fittings and these had all not been treated with the Altex.
The Marina chap gurnied her down and then, with an hour of light we got to and wet and dry sanded her down. We are now ready to start painting tomorrow morning.
We are both covered with paint and tired. Two big days ahead.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 15 July 2006 : 8:03:19 PM
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Today saw Rod, Ian & myself put in a big days work in on the Hagar. The weather was against us and it rained for most of the day. We finished preparing the hull for painting, but the weather was so bad that it was not until very late when we applied one coat and were continually wiping down the sides to stop the running drops from the drizzel. We gave up on the rudder skirts because the alloy plate is too thick and we feel that plastic would be more suitable. For next time. We washed down the hull sides with an acidic solution which cleaned and brightened her up and if tomorrow is clear we will give her a touch up with white paint and repaint the top blue stripe. Ian spent most of the day removing the old toilet and we all helped in replacing the outer skin fitting and inner valve and handle with new SS. Ian had to grind out the old bronze skin outlet fitting which was a pain due to corrosion and a siezed cock handle which broke off. The old toilet seating position was a nightmare with rotten timber supports and we through out the lot and will install a new Jabsco loo on a plywood top base. This will require a step to be installed for the short people to use the loo. Andy will be down tomorrow to service the engine.
To be continued.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 16 July 2006 : 9:59:39 PM
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Today saw another full ten hour effort on the Hagar IV while she is up on the slips. We got a second coat of antifoul paint on and saved a full can for next time. Andy replace all the engine filters as well as pulling out and inspecting the propeller shaft rubber tube. It was OK and as we could not find correct tube he replaced the old one. Andy has been researching the fuel tank and the problems associated with cleaning it out and what we will do in the future. He is talking of installing an inspection hatch big enough to get an arm in so that it can be spounged and cleaned out. There are over thirty years of sludge in there! The motor is running very well and everything under the water line if OK. Of interest was the large barnicle which was found growing in the cockpit waste pipe which is located just below water level at the tip of the transum and empties onto the top od the rudder. This had been causing the water to clear very slowly and we were wondering why?
The toilet base was replaced and we now have a nice clean timber base on which is bolted the new dunny. Only have to connect the inlet and outlet pipes tomorrow.
We also removed the two pin stripes, red & blue which were just below the six inch painted blue stipe below the alloy toe rail. The old stipes were adhesively stuck on and had faded and begining to come off. They took a lot of effort and time to remove & clean up. We then waxed the top sides. She looks good with the red waterline stipe and the blue topside stripe.
Rod will be taking the Hagar back to North Harbour tomorrow.
While we did not achieve everything planned we are happy with our efforts and continue to lean about this yacht.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 02:05:04 AM
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| Chris, Sounds like a good job with new stainless everything on the sea cock front - should work for many years - also no surpise the old one had to be cut out. You used acid on the top sides - a good idea is to ensure it has a very good polish afterwards - the acid leaves it a bit porous so it will discolour easily again - the polish reseals it. A trick I use down here in Tassie (where it rains frequently, specially when my boat is on the slip!!) is to use 2 inch wide paper tape and form a 'skirt" that sticks to the topsides near the waterline, but bells outwards - all the water runs neatly off the skirt and does not reach the antifouling. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 8:12:06 PM
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Thanks for your input Leigh. We will keep in mind the skirting trick for next year. The weather is normally fine 95% of the time. It's just that we choose this time of the year to do all the major jobs. You were also correct about the skin fittings and that the grinder would be a must-do, it was and our resident dentist, Ian did a very accurate job of removing the old bronze fitting, the inner cock having seized open and the lock nut also unshiftable. Out with the grinder & hey-presto.
It was interesting to note that whoever had cut the original skin hole for the head waste up the bow had done a rough job with some rather ragged edges. It came out easily when Ian cut the outer lip off the tube.
The boat went back in the water this afternoon and we motored back to North Harbour and found we had a leak. Initially we thought it was the stern gland, however my suspicions were confirmed when we lifted the aft floor board and found a stream of water coming from up-aft. The source was a screw hole from the starboard side where the old rudder skits had been attached. Someone had solved the problem of the leak by applying a self tapper from the inside and this is what I found & which we pushed back in. The hole was not filled and hence the mini fountain.
I got up into aft section and replaced the screw with a washer & sickaflex.
Rod connected the toilet pipes and the new dunny was immeadiately christened by Mr. Childs with success.
All work ceased at dusk with the Hagar IV back on her mooring and ready for racing.
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 9:53:46 PM
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 10:20:18 PM
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Well hello Eric, yes the new dunny does smarten up the forward part of the old Hagar. We will have to install a raised step for the short-legged peoples. You are sounding a little chipper this evening Eric I hope you have not had too many mountain dews. How are the Nationals coming along and how is the sailing, if any going up in the wild northern shores?
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 10:39:03 PM
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It's great to hear that Rod is all go. The step is when he step up the the thunder box and also the handles so he can concentrates and also hang on in a big swell. The only new addition is a big fan.
Good to hear you have done the slippage, I have still to do mine.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 17 July 2006 : 11:28:07 PM
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After crawling in & out of the steering compartment of the Hagar a few times over the weekend, the next major job should be the removal of the bloody well in the cockpit. Like what Kevin has done to the Splinter. It really makes it hard to impossible to get into the back part of the boat to do any type of work there. And while we are at it we could re-direct the water & fuel pipes so that they do not come into the centre of the the twin lower aft berth. With the well out, the twin berth would be great to sleep in, while at the moment it is cramped and narrow without any headroom.
Any other thoughts for improvements?
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 18 July 2006 : 7:46:35 PM
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| Was a pretty easy job to get to the steering, stern tube and right around the back of the diesel on "Caroline". What is the well - ex an outboard and now there is an inboard motor? |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 July 2006 : 9:34:59 PM
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Leigh, the well in the cockpit is only in the Mark 1's only. I really do not know what they were designed to do. We store our large fender and spare wharf lines in it. It is about a metre long, about two feet across & about 18 inches deep and is a recess in the cockpit with a removable clear plastic lid which we lift to access the fender. At its base is drain which goes down into the stern & exits above the rudder just below water level.
It's fairly useless and I wish to emulate the Splinter and cut ours out and seal the cockpit floor flat. This will give easy access to the rear of the boat as well as making the twin aft berth far more comfortable.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 July 2006 : 9:50:13 PM
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Sorry, but my son threw me off mine/his computer and I did not finish. We now have three computers at home and they are still fought for stongly. I'm afraid that I'm begining to loose the scuffels against my 16 year old rugby league son in hand to hand combat stakes.
Anyway, my question is to Kevin and perhaps even Colin may shine some light on the purpose of the E30 cockpit wells? The boats are very dry and all we ever get over the bow is a bit of spray. And we also discovered a very nice large barnicle who had made his home in the exit drain of the cockpit. This is why we were finding the drain to become very slow in running out when the well was full of ice and ales.Any idears and Kevin? did you remove your well and were there any dramas, and what did you do with the dain?
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David
Helmsman
Australia
232 Posts |
Posted - 18 July 2006 : 11:49:46 PM
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Chris,
Get yourself a wireless router(for the computers that is).
I have one running 3 computers in the house and never an argument.
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Ian Marshall
Sheet Hand
Australia
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Posted - 19 July 2006 : 01:39:00 AM
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Chris,
Zero Balance is a Mk1 and no sign of cockpit well being in her.Have plenty of access to rear bunks and steering etc
Ian |
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A New E30
