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Ian Marshall
Sheet Hand
Australia
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 Posted - 19 July 2006 : 01:40:58 AM
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Just noticed the time on the website 2 hours fast
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 21 July 2006 : 6:49:11 PM
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Ian,
I spoke with Kevin yesterday about the wells in the Mark 1 cockpits. The Splinter had hers taken out before he bought her and he had the problem with the new cover leaking so he replaced with tinted persplex and stikerflexed it in and bolted it down. He also has a teak grating over the cockpit floor. It is now dry as well as admitting some light. We have more important things to do to the Hagar at the moment like getting to Cat 3 with lots of annoying little jobs that you really question as they involve costs. The cockpit is a like-to-do and not a must do.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 23 July 2006 : 8:51:24 PM
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This weekend saw the Hagar boys having time out from sailing with Rod going down & checking her out last Thursday. She was dry and has no leaks after the slipping and subsequent fixes.
Rod plans to have another working bee next weekend when we will remove the rest on the old tape stipes and give her another coat of wax on the hull sides. No other news at this time. The SWMBO'd has gone OS and left me with five teenagers, three of my own and two, 17 & 18 year old sons on her cousin from Tahiti. So I have become cook, transport & mother to them all.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 24 July 2006 : 04:19:05 AM
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Chris,
To get to cat 3 you may find that the cockpit well has to go, so it might be on the "must do" list rather than the "like to do" list. Take a look at 3.08.4a (cockpit sole height) and 3.08.7b (cockpit volume) in the newest rule book.
Sorry if this is bad news after you measure up........ |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 July 2006 : 7:48:26 PM
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Thank you for that Leigh, Rodney will be looking at that section of the Blue YA Book keenly. I for one hope you are correct. I would like to remove the rudy well for the ease of access to the rear of the boat as well as the space for sleeping comfort. We also have to replace plastic fuel lines with metal pipes.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 25 July 2006 : 04:31:07 AM
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| Flexible fuel lines are allowed so long as they are securely supported in place and are of a material specifically designed for diesel. Suggest just changing them if in doubt and supporting them so they don't rub on anything. Should NOT be plastic - usually a special double layer rubber sort of stuff. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 25 July 2006 : 11:57:10 AM
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And don't scrimp on the fittings...like most things on boats, the more expensive are the best(safest); in my experience, inferior fittings, blocks and rudder pintels etc always know when a lee shore is in the offing.
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Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 25 July 2006 : 8:07:33 PM
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Chris and Leigh, I don't think the well would affect the Cat 3 rating as it is only a storage well with cover. I would think it would have to have a drain in it and the lid firmly secured. The Cockpit Sole height on a Mark 1 is fine and complies. Re the fuel line Yes, the original fuel line looks like plastic and I could not prove it was a proper fuel line. So a trip to Pertex and a new fuel line. Also very important is that the small shut off cock works.
The other thing you will have fun & games with is your wash boards. Must be able to lock and unlock from inside & out. Will send you some photos.
When you have your harnesses, Jack stays, spare Compass, First Aid kit, tool kit, spare parts, Trisail, GPS, maps, torchs, battries, nights lights for 1/2 the crew, alternive steering devise, extra anchore, extra parachute flares - so when you get all that it's easy just go through to Cat 3. Once you get there the flares are to be replaced every 3 years, First Aid kit - nightmare - watch your expiry dates. You will finish up with the best First Aid kit at home with out of date stuff.
Don't forget when thay ask, what alternative device do you have for getting the weather. Just say AM/FM radio.
Good luck and think about everything before you buy. Also the Boat Show is coming up SO discounts at Whitworths. 15% off.
cheers mate, |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 July 2006 : 6:33:54 PM
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This coming Saturday Rod has organised a working bee at the Davis Marina on the Hagar. This might be the last chance to do any further work for a while because there is a lot to be done on the NHSC for the club as well as for the racing which starts in less than eight weeks.
Rod has penciled me down to finish off the WC new timber base as he now wants nice pretty edges.
He informed me that we will also be attaching the new SS rear gunnels which will be bolted on and then applying the old SS plate on which is fastened the jib & kite turning blocks.
Then there are some new SS corners to be fixed to the deck top curves to stop the sheets cutting into the paint and gellcoat.
No doubt there will be more.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 31 July 2006 : 06:03:43 AM
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The weekend saw a small amount of work carried out on the Hagar IV. We bought her into the marina on Saturday afternoon and rafted up outside the Sea Breeze, a Farr 38 footer. Old Bruce Hinchman is the owner skipper and well into his seventies or even eighties. He is a crafty old sailor and called the "sand-man" at MYC because in the twi-lighter handicap events he will never come better than fourth. He is a retired ship captain and harbour master as well as a skipper for the James Craige square rigger. It is said that he sailed square riggers in his youth about the time of the second world war.
Anyway, I digress, there will be more stories about old Bruce in the future.
Rod & I installed the new SS rubbing strips to stop the main and other sheets cutting into the gell-coat. It took some time to bend them into position. We finished removing the rest of the rotten alloy gunnel and cleaned up the corrosion. However there will be some major filling and glassing to be done before we can attach the new SS tube and the old SS fittings so we left it as we ran out of daylight.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 31 July 2006 : 7:23:15 PM
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Chris & Rod, what have you done away with the return blockes on the rear
of the gunnels. The sheets do not touch the hull and or the gelcoat.
Have you taken the shortcut with the sheet up from the traveller off the deck.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 31 July 2006 : 7:48:51 PM
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No Kev, we have not shot the after gunnel turning blocks or SS bases. The problem was the under lying alloy tube base which had rotted out. We have temporarily removed the two SS curved bases with their four fixing points and have shot the alloy tube directly underneath as well as removed the bronze rectangular plate which was glassed into the glass gunnel skin. On Saturday I cleaned out all the crap, with sanding still to do, and will re-fix the bronze plate into the gunnel with bog and glass, then cover & fix a new SS tube which replaces the roted alloy. After that we bolt back down the original SS turning block bases.
I'll send you some photos of the mess when she was up on the slips & I attacked the starboard side gunnel, with hammer & crowbar.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 10 August 2006 : 9:47:30 PM
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Rodneys talking about installing the new SS tube gunnels this Saturday so we will see how we go. The main problem will be filling up the cavities which are between the rectangle gunnels and the SS tube. Any suggestions?
Rod is talking either a very wet & runny bog-resien mix or stikaflex or something like that. It could turn into a very sticky & runny mess. It will most likely be a two or three part-day opperation.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 12 August 2006 : 11:45:15 PM
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This afternoon Rod found the main cranking battery was flat aboard the Hagar. However he got her going and bought her into the marina and I joined him later. We measured and cut the new SS gunnel tubes to length and fitted them. We also riverted on the port side tang plate and screwed through the SS bolts. However at this time we discovered that the bronze plate was lifting out and that the SS tube as well as everything attached would have nothing to hold it down. So it is back to the SS shop and have some SS tangs applied along the bottom edges of the new tubes so that we can bolt horizontally through the outer skin of the gunnel hull.
I felt it would not be easy and will take a few stages. The fun will really start when we attempt to fill all the cavities between the hull skin & the SS tube.
When we finished the boat started OK and we took her for a motor around North Harbour to charge the batteries. They seemed OK & when we were back on the mooring and Rod turned off the main power switch we noticed that the lights in the switch box were still on. So we most likely have a faulty main switch. With a bit of jiggering these light finally went off.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 18 August 2006 : 05:09:56 AM
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| Chris, Suggest fitting an indicating light that tells you when the main switch is on. Fuse it with an in line fuse of rating approx 1 amp or so. The trick is to make sure the light is off as part of your routine when you get off the boat - just like turning all the seacocks off etc' Start batteries do not normally stand up to such things well. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 August 2006 : 11:38:02 PM
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Leigh, you are correct we will need to install an indicator light. This weekend we will check and see if the battery is flat again. The cranking battery is hopefully OK, however we will have to change them soon anyway if we want Cat 3 as the current batteries are acid. Any advise on a suitable gem battery for the Hagar Leigh?
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 19 August 2006 : 6:15:54 PM
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Chris,
They don't have to neccesarily be Gel Filled, just have to be of the totally sealed type (refer 3.26.1), remember also you have to have a seperate start battery (3.24.5). This means you need a sealed deep cycle (for "house" use) and a sealed high cranking capacity (for "starting" use). I have all sealed batteries on Sirocco now, but they have not be in use long enough to make a recomendation on the brand (I had to get them up in Sydney before the delivery). You can generally find a sealed starting battery with high cranking rating (basically the higher the CCA rating the better) at a reasonable price - don't buy the cheapest - get a good quality battery with the highest possible CCA rating for the case size you can fit in your battery mount - I have used "Imperial" brand batteries with good success. Deep cycle batteries in a sealed case generally cost a heap to get one with a high ampere hour rating in a case size that fits - look carfully around, get the highest ampere hour rating you can get in a case size that fits the mount without breaking your wallet. Sorry I can't be more specific. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 20 August 2006 : 8:23:26 PM
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When our Club looked the the new "sealed Batteries" in the Blue Book when it come out, we checked all the alternatives. I must admit I was involve and we came to the conclusion that so called sealed lead acid battries are not sealed. I spoke to the manufacturers and reseller and NOBODY would guarentee that thay would not leak upsidedown. They have an air vent for the acid fumes to release when shaken. Also they agreed that they could not guarentee if in salt water it would create Hydrocloric Acid.
We now will only pass AGM's or Gell.
I have 2 Deep cycle AGM's for the house battries and one Start.
I have found them very good and worth the money. As you use the the charge on the house battries, I have not seen any sign of of drop off in current. I have left the battries on on occasions and never had a flat battery.
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"Splinter" |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 21 August 2006 : 1:08:35 PM
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Thanks for your advise & comments Leigh & Kevin. On the weekend Rod went down and checked the boat and she started up first time. It seems that the main switch was not turned off properly and that the lights in the fuse box were still burning but unsighted there-bye causing a slow leak of current. We do have a back-up starter which Rod apparently used to start he the previous week. We will be looking at buying the new sealed units in the future to conform with Cat 3 and we also learned to turn off the power & check it.
Thanks again,
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 23 August 2006 : 8:35:10 PM
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Well there has been very little activity aboard the Hagar in the past two weeks. My family & self have had a good dose of the flu as well as both Rod & I being involved in our kids end of year football events. We are also busy with the North Harbour Sailing Club organising an open day, AGM, Club promotional flyers and trying to create interest in small yacht racing at North Harbour.
We still have the aft gunnels to finish as well as some minor carpentry in the head area to finish off. As well, we have to bite the bullet and upgrade some of the safety equipment for Cat 3.
Our first race at North Harbour is set for the Sunday of the 17th of September.
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A New E30
