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akeir
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 Posted - 02 April 2007 : 7:10:24 PM
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Dare I mention E24's in this thread, but Sasha, is the pushpit on Kaos similar to the cunning plan for Jester?
Cheers
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Owner of Charissa
Pictures at http://s154.photobucket.com/albums/s255/akkeir/Charissa/ |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 02 April 2007 : 8:52:23 PM
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umm..both yes and no. Koas has a more or less standard pushpit with the top rail cut off and a boarding ladder rather claverly put in as a non-articulating feature. This is not really to my taste as I like things that pivot, hinge and twirl around going "kerpoing" while performing six different functions.
The plan for Jester involves two distinct half-pushpits with a real gap in between, which will be filled by a folding boarding ladder that can either drop down into the water, act as a support for a gangplank or (maybe) just pivot out of the way to form a gate and allow the ladder to be removed and used elsewhere (Gang-plank support for side loading of stuff, perhaps)
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moakley
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 02 April 2007 : 9:08:25 PM
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AAAHHHH Sasha - what a wonderful description/admission of the character & brain I now think I am just beginning to understand - "....I like things that pivot, hinge and twirl around going "kerpoing" while performing six different functions."
Can't wait for Jester to be back in the water going kerpoing, kerpoing, kerpoing, etc., etc.. - Michael O |
Photos of "Jester" E24 Mk 1 -
http://s162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/moakley_album/E24%20Jester/ |
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akeir
Helmsman
Australia
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 April 2007 : 06:38:21 AM
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Good morning Sasha, Did I ever send you the photos of the Mark 1 E30, Laurapinta, which is at Berries Bay? The most neglected E30 which we have found to be still afloat?
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 08:37:06 AM
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No. I don't think so, or I would have posted them for you.
Feel free to.
By the way, the nameless E30 that I told you about sitting in a parking lot to the south of Hobart (Kingston) seems to also share the MkII hull with the sunken deck /raised bulwarks of the MkI. Not 100% sure about the hull being a MkII because perspective is abit different out fo the water when the boat is on blocks and towering above you...but it somehow "feels" right as to what I saw. The raised bulwarks at the bow are a definate as I could see daylight through a series of drain slots and follow the line of the deck that way.
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 10:44:28 AM
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Sasha,
What about the rudder configeration with the propeller exit position of the Kingston boat? The Mark 2's have the Rudder and Prop together right aft while the Mark 1's have the prop coming out further towards the centre of the boat and just behind the keel. This means that the Mark 1's generally have their engine positioned over the keel and the Mark 2's have their engine behind the stairs and under the cockpit.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 6:37:02 PM
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That was the puzzling thing at the time (I had yet to see Caroline's underpinnings). The prop was indeed in the position to be a MkII.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 7:23:09 PM
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I guess there's no earthly reason why Reg wouldn't put a MkI deck onto a MkII hull, after all the 24's and 26's share the same topsides and there are differences between the early and late E24 MkI's. It may have been buyer preference also. Maybe Colin Cole can shed some light on the issue, it's certainly one of interest.
Rob |
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 April 2007 : 7:42:14 PM
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Well Sasha, just to disentangle or confuse, I belive the E30, Santana which has just been sold at Lake Macquarie has a Mark 2 hull and a mark one deck mould. I suppose there were some compromises in cost and possible availability of moulds at the time of construction. Remember that these boats were built at both the outer Sydney site as well as boats sold and finished in kit form fit-out.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 8:11:28 PM
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Nope. That is not quite correct. According to Reg all E30's and 28's were sold in finished or near finished state. Locally sold 32's were sold finished while bare hulls and decks were shipped overseas to be finished.
E30's were NEVER offered as backyard kit boats, for two main reasons. they were condiered far too big at that time to be home completed and transported (how things have changed, now you can get 65 footer kits), Endeavour yachts had somewhat "outgrown" its earlier image and were trying concious of the publics eye on the quality of their product in this range...and they still offered smaller boats that could be user finished.
Having said that, They would certainly have been happy to discuss making factory modifications on any boat being commissioned and if it were me buying an Endeavour today I would CERYTAINLY have asked reg for a MKII hull with the lovelly MKI sunken deck layout! Absolutely, positively and even if it cost me more money!
Love the MkI deck layout, not so fond of the interior, the exact converse is true of the MKII...so coming up with the best of both worlds, with no more than sanity imperilled...yeah, sounds like me.
Mind you. I also would have asked reg to add the afterdeck and lockers of an E26, and the swimstep/sugarscoop of Rhumbline (an E27).
Oh, and can I have plumb bows with that, please?
Now you know why Reg retired.
From what I have been able to research and discover in my chats with Reg and others, Endeavour Yachts was always very "flexible" in what they could put out. The E26 MKII was a spur of the moment reaction to a new flavour of american sailboat that was coming into the country. They just weren't too precious to do some sums on the blackboard and then cut up the mold and graft in an extra 3inches all around, before bending the foredeck into a bannana shape. Made sense, the public wanted it...so they got out the tools and made it happen.
What surprises me si that there are not MORE E32 MKI and MKII hybrids around.
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 April 2007 : 10:27:17 PM
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I have not spoken with Reg about the construction of the Endeavour yachts. I have spoken with a number of owners in the past two years and some of the feedback was that the E32's were finished by outside shiprights, and there were surposed to be only six in Australia while there were many exported. I was under the impression that that this also applied to the E30, however I may be incorrect. The best persons to answer this is Reg & Colin.
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Sasha
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Posted - 03 April 2007 : 10:35:10 PM
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I was the one that told you about the exported E32's during the 40th anniversary as part of my rather mind blowing conversation with Reg. Subcontracted shipwrights for the E30's is a distinct possibility, but not owner builder completion and I would say the subbies would have been under supervision of Endeavour and would be finishing the boats to a standard of quality approved by the company.
I am just posting the pics of the neglected E30 (poor sad and somewhat weird thing) at the moment.
Sasha
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 04 April 2007 : 12:05:37 PM
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Dare I say it (and it would be difficult for me here in Dodge City) but shouldn't somebody sit down with Reg /Colin C. and document this sort of history before both of them depart this mortal coil? Apart from the plans, the bigger boats hardly get a mention in the Blue Book, it would be great if future editions included some of this for later owner/sailors. It looks like a lot of these boats are going to outlast us!! Just a thought.
Rob |
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Sasha
Helmsman
838 Posts |
Posted - 04 April 2007 : 11:42:26 PM
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Reg is happy to chat and will go into amazing detail with a very sharp memeory for stuff...but when I asked if I could do an interview proper and present him with prepaired questions, and record the answers. He got all...well...he was still polite, but you could tell he really would have prefered "not"....So I dropped it and kept chatting informally, which was great.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 18 April 2007 : 2:50:04 PM
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Not sure if it would be possible to fit a MkII deck onto a MkI hull like Robert & Chris discuss above.
I had a slight annoying leak that was eventually fixed by pulling the aluminium toe rail off. Found there was a slight void just in one spot in the bonding between the deck moulding and the hull moulding (just had to be sealed).
On a MkII, the hull moulding has a lip that the deck moulding simply sits on top of, bonded with epoxy between the joint and then fibreglassed on the inside of the hull. On the outside the aluminium toe rail moulding slides over the bonded edge of the hull lip/deck moulding - covers the lot.
From what I have seen of a MkI, I don't think the MkII deck could be fitted to a MkI hull due to the raised bulwarks, or vice versa for the same reason..
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 21 April 2007 : 7:38:12 PM
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Today saw the appearence of an E28 appear for sale on the Boatpoint website. She is from Qld. and priced at $38,500. There were only two photos of this boat.
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David
Helmsman
Australia
232 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2007 : 6:47:19 PM
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Chris,
Take Bon Doobie of the list she has been sold and went today, not sure as she was sold through a broker but i beleive the new home is in Pittwater.
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Sasha
Helmsman
838 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2007 : 7:52:45 PM
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Oh...Congratualations and I am really sorry to hear it, if that makes sense.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2007 : 8:02:14 PM
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We are also sorry to hear that you have parted with the Bon Doobie David. If you are in need of a racing "fix", next season we sail every second Sunday. Just give us a call as we are always looking for gunnel weight.
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