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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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 Posted - 03 July 2005 : 1:00:17 PM
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12.45pm. Have just returned home from a morning with Kev Swadling. We went out with the owners of the E30 Walrus-Sygnet, the yellow hulled boat for sale in Middle Harbour. Her hull looks clean and the motor, which they said was a 12 HP went well & pushed her through the water satisfactorily. The Mast needs to be taken down and painted etc. There looked to be be no wind instruments and the rig is over ten years and needs to be replaced. The inside is in fair condition and is the traditional Mark 1 E30 layout & there is a holding tank located up the bow for the toilet. The motor is over the keel with a timber table cover. The port side aft bulkhead has been removed and the cockpit is fairly open. In addition the starbord side quarter birth has also been removed.
All in all she is a solid boat that needs to be re-rigged to race or cruise as well as some TLC on the woodwork.
She is a good buy at around $32,500.
Kevin can give his impression and after looking at her we went down to North Harbour and went out to the Hagar. Kevin can also give you his impressions of the Hagar E30.
I took a series of digital photos and if anyone would like copies please feel free to give me a yell.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 03 July 2005 : 5:47:44 PM
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Well, what a lovely morning. Chris & I met at 10.0 am in the Park by the Rowing Club in Middle Harbour and then was joined by the owners of "Walrus". We then proceed to cruise up towards Bantry Bay.
My impression is very similar to Chris's as she is a very sound boat that need a bit of TLC.
The up side to "Walrus" is a reletively new engine, good inventry of sails and the hull appears to be clean. It looks tidy but needs a good cleaning up of all the timber work as all boat of her vintage would. She has a pair of S/T winches and the old Barlows are on the Coachhouse. Big plus, however the jam cleats need work (possibly new Clutches).
Down side would be all new standing rigging, (over 10 years old and my guess older than that) Mast to be taken down, striped checked for cracks etc and painted. New backstay and baby stay pulley system to be installed.
Instruments - need replacing - need new log or Tridata and GPS. Lights etc seemed OK and would do until the TLC was done then more for internal. Radio, I didn't like to ask to turn it on but appeared OK.
There has been a S/S fuel tank installed under the cockpit beside the storage well. This does not give you the oportunity to use behind the stairway as a double bunk. Not hard to fix if more accomadation is required. Stove need a bloody good clean and apparently works well.
I was very inpressed with the holding tank they have installed under the forward V berth. It has not been used so I suppose somebody will have to Christen it one day.
Overall I think it could be a good buy for someone who is prepared to do a bit and would finish up with a very sound and reasonably priced E30.
If you could get it for between $28 - $32,500 and then be prepared to spend, I would guess another $5 - 6,000 You would have a cheap boat for under $40k.
For anybody interested it would be worth a look.
Also, the North Harbour Yacht Club, what a beautiful part of Sydney. Chris & the boys you have done well. Hagar III is looking good. You have put a lot of work in and it is certainly showing. You will get your reward shortly when you start sailing her regularly.
I am looking forward to a weekend we can raft up over at Store Beach or one of the sheltered cove on the Harbour.
Keep on "Endeavouring"
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 07 July 2005 : 10:14:21 AM
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Hi E30 experts,
Re Gladstone E30. Are you sure this is an E30. Looks very much like an E28!
Adrian
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 07 July 2005 : 10:38:21 AM
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Hi Adrian,
I may be wrong, however the photos in one of the previous posting of this boat on the hard stand looks identical to our E30 in profile and the internal photos show a layout identical to the Splinter, Hagar as well as the Walrus which we looked at last weekend. And the photos which I have seen of the internals of the E28 are quite different to this boat.
Can you give us any lead on where she differs?
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 07 July 2005 : 11:13:36 AM
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Give me a minute. I shall post pics of the e28 interior.
The main difference off the bat is the engine location. The e28 has the engine under the V-berth and not in an engine box with a table on top. This is also part of the issue with e28 headroom, the engine in the v-berth raises the height of the prop-shaft running through the bilge somewhat and makes for a very low ceiling/high floor. The under-table arrangement of sitting the engine atop the keel lets the shaft run straighter and lower down in the bilge, which gives a couple of blessedly needed inches of extra headroom in the cabin.
Sasha
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 07 July 2005 : 11:41:40 AM
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[img]http://home.armourarchive.org/members/sasha/cabin1.JPG[/img]
here is one of the e28 internal layout
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 07 July 2005 : 4:29:30 PM
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Hi Chris,
Comparing with the yellow yacht for sale in Sydney the transom of the gladstone yacht is a different shape and the rear of the cabin is much closer to the stern. I trust that Hagar 4 and Splinter are not E28s!
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 07 July 2005 : 5:45:51 PM
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Hi Adrian, Just had another look at the photos and I am certain that she is a '30. I think the photo of the yacht at the marina is disceaving because it has a dodger on.
If you look at the photo of the forward V berth and head area, that is '30. Also it has a anchor winch which shows in the bow and forward of the V berth area.
Then the photo on the engine cowl and table. That was the original when they had the Volvo 10 hp It must be a tight fit with a 20 hp Yamnar. I know I had to make another box for my 21 Nanni.
The other difference appears to be an Ice box or storage in front of the Stove.
But looking at the fibreglass bulkheads & mouldings, they are all the same as a '30. My conclusion, a Big E30
Just was thinking this makes "Walrus" in Sydney a cheap boat.
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"Splinter" |
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David
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 07 July 2005 : 8:39:37 PM
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It's true you lose a bit of headroom in the 28.
I am 175cm and can't stand up, and i have got to learn to duck when walking up to the vee berth(ouch).
I think it is hard to tell a 28 and a 30 apart from a photo (side shot) where there is nothing else to go by, the 1 thing i notice when i saw Splinter is that she is a bit tubbier than a 28.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 July 2005 : 6:36:53 PM
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Here is the advertised photo of the Snow Goose in elevation on the hard stand. Note that although the photo is of poor quality, it does show the characteristic features of an E30. Which are the sharply angled bow as well a the transum which trails away. Both of these features are to my memory missing off the E28 and which makes the E30s' such sexy ladies!
Hope the photo comes out, Chris |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 July 2005 : 6:54:03 PM
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Hi Sasha,
How are the survey reports going on the E32 & E28 going? Looking forward to seen the photos. You do not have to do a report like the Marine Survey which you pasted from a Yank two weeks ago. I have photos of the Walrus E30 & some more taken over the weekend of the Hagar 4 if you are interested.
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Tony Bright
F'ore'ard Hand
Australia
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Posted - 12 July 2005 : 1:39:00 PM
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Hi Chris/Sasha
If you really want to know more about the E28 that Sasha has pictured, just ask me, I have owned Scotch Mist for the past 15 months.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 12 July 2005 : 1:57:19 PM
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Good to hear from you Tony, Welcome aboard. Good to hear of and have the input of other owners in Melbourne.
cheers, |
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Edited by - Splinter on 13 July 2005 08:59:58 AM |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 12 July 2005 : 3:03:55 PM
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Hi Tony!
I was not aiming for a survey type report so much as a general rough sketch of my impressions of meeting an E28 and the strictly opinionated pros and cons.
The head height of the E28's is definately a con for me (187cm). As is the narrowness of the head and such (I am in the general category of "fat bastard").
The lovely internal lining and clean presentation of Scotch mist (specifically and not as a statement on all E28's) is a huge pro. Tony did a lovely job on the boat projects he undertook in the time he owned Scotch Mist.
For me, I came away with the belief that the boat was not right for us, it was nt going to be a comfortable fit either above or below decks for a number of reasons (that I will get around to going into). Then again the E32 we looked at also wasn't an ideal fit (and certainly not at anything like the money being asked). So far, I am still anamoured of my E26 in terms of getting the combination right between price and comfort.
Anyway, I have had a very budy two weeks and had to put writitng stuff on the back burner. I am now making my way back through the backlog and will get to these two projects shortly.
Sasha
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Tony Bright
F'ore'ard Hand
Australia
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Posted - 12 July 2005 : 6:16:56 PM
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Hey Sasha
No problems, just thought after reading everybody elses thoughts you guys may be interested in comment from somebody who thinks the E28 is the ideal pocket cruiser.
My wife and I have sailed and cruised throughout Westernport after many years on Port Philip. We also join in on a few races. Scotch Mist is a quick (for its age) boat that is very sea worthy and comfortable to cruise. I am over 6' and don't expect to have to much head room in any 28' boat. In saying that the V berth still gives us both plenty of room.
Your right about the head but they only put them in boats so "the missus" will come out occasionally. Mists configuration of the motor up the pointy end does have its disadvantages ( a 12 foot shaft that needs perfect balance) but means a nice warm bed at the end of the day and balances the bow nicely in chop.
I would be glad to hear from any other E28 owners. I know only about 50 were produced
(I believe) but I am sure they all feel the same about their boats
Tony
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 12 July 2005 : 7:17:34 PM
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You forgot the other detail about E28's. That the era in which "Half tonners" were built for the IOR rule, it was a known expectation that they were going to become obsolete due to rule changes long before they wore out. As a result, a great many companies that built half tonners seem to have taken every shortcut in the book to save both weight and money, knowing that the boat had a short shelflife. This is definately NOT the case with the Endeavours. There were a few areas I would have liked to see backing plates and reinforcement....But generally speaking these boats seem to have had some outstanding build quality (unlike their US built cousins to the same rule). I am very grateful that Reg did not at any point decide to build "disposable" boats, it speaks highly of his entire fleet of yachts.
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 12 July 2005 : 7:37:19 PM
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Hullo there Tony,
Good to hear a little about the E28. Would appreciate any photos of you boat as well as your comments on problems & renervations on your E28 as well as working layouts.
I represent a partnership of four who purchased the Buccaneer out of Geelong some months ago & are working to bring her up to racing Cat 3. We are also putting together a working manual for annual maintanence & replacements etc.
Regards, Chris
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David
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 13 July 2005 : 3:28:05 PM
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Hi Tony,
I have just purchased Bon Doobie and she is in Sydney now.
Was hoping to take her out last Sunday to start to get the feel for her but with winds around 40kts and i think one wind gust at Fort Denison was measured at 58kts it was a good day to stay in bed.
So i am really hanging out to put a few miles on her.
And Chris i have been trying to post some photos of below the waterline as i know Splinter want's to see but i can't post them as the file is too big,so if some one can help me out here i will get them on.
Also is there any other E28's in Sydney that are sailing?
David.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 13 July 2005 : 4:54:42 PM
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Hello there Tony. Would enjoy seeing your nude shots of the E28. Please send them to my home email of smrs@optusnet.com.au or cqs@accsoft.com.au
We have just completed most of work underwater over the weekend & plan to be sailing over the weekend & to have a full crew with the four owners out and testing the rig and sails on Sunday afternoon. The weather forecast at this stage is for a sunny weekend.
You will most likely find us in the area of the entrance of Sydney Harbour, the "sound".
Or just ring me on my mobile which is:
0416 108 639. We have a small sailing club at North Harbour, which is directly west of Manly & will be racing this year from our own club & alternative weeks with other clubs. You are always welcome join us. Regards, Chris. |
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