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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
 Posted - 20 November 2005 : 8:08:30 PM
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Hullo Leigh,
Was just looking through this part of the E30s and noticed that no one ever really answered your question about the Boat Numbering of Endeavours and particularly in regards to the E30s'. We we have looked and although we cannot get a the top of the keel under the engine, there is no number on the Hagar IV. I have been told that the E24' & E26's were numbered in the concrete over the keel. However this apparently did not take place for the thirties. It is my guess that the Caroline was in the twenties. When we asked Reg Gardiner at the 40th regatta he came back with some good info on our boat. Hagar IV was 10th out of the mould & he also provided the date of construction, 1974 & who purchased her.
How is your new boat hunting going?
Chris. |
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 20 November 2005 : 9:25:55 PM
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Chris,
Thanks for the info - I haven't been over Caroline with a fine toothcomb, but there isn't anything obvious in the way of a number, so I think you are right that they weren't numbered. There is nothing in the expoxy over the keel - I can get to the entitre surface of this as the motor is under the companionway. Boat hunting is going very poorly - the only NS38's on the market at present are unsuitable due to too small motors, lack of ballast shoe or high price/lack of equipment etc'. Just need the right one to turn up! |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 07 December 2005 : 1:20:41 PM
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The E30, Hollywood has reappeared and is for sale on the Boat Point web site. She is priced at $39,000.00 & is described as having been refitted out. She is a white hulled Mark 1 boat. Rod & I originally looked at her this time last year & were beaten to the punch by the current owner.
Chris.
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David
Helmsman
Australia
232 Posts |
Posted - 07 December 2005 : 10:23:50 PM
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Hollywood is moored near me and she looks clean and would be worth a look.
But i don't agree with the boat description. The 30 is based on the 28 but bigger and roomier? and faster.
Would have to question that when an 28/30 are nothing alike in hull shape and motor palcement, other than headroom i would put my E28 up against any 30 for space downstairs, i guess we do share the same rig.
And speed well lets not go there everyone knows that an E28 is faster than a E30
David.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 07 December 2005 : 11:31:12 PM
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| I like a bit of controvery!!!! E30 owners - have you considered infiltrating the E28 section fo this site and planting a few "bombs" re the merits of the fitout or sailing ability of E28's??? |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 08:08:15 AM
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Sounding good Leigh, I would have loved to have seen Bon Doobie out last night. We had breezes of about 15 - 20, with bullets to ? I don't know I was too buzy. When you have to ease the main on a '30 to where it is just flogging so you don't round up, they are strong gusts.
A great night to get away from the heat and got a 3rd.
cheerss, |
"Splinter" |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 2:02:51 PM
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Oh....David...see you at the Nationals???
Chris[:-viking] |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 2:11:40 PM
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Yes David, we will be there & hopefully the Splinter as well. For the last few month Rod & I have not exactly been siting on our hands. All the jobs & work being pored into the Hagar IV is not for nothing, dont' you know?
Rod will most likely not be steering & it will be either Andy or myself & we sould have the same crew as at the 40th Regatta.
I antisipate fresher breezes & will be trying to have a new number three header made.
Your E28, should go better than the long keeled E30s' however preparation & crew work are always hard to beat.
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David
Helmsman
Australia
232 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 4:50:13 PM
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I should take up fishing, i got 3 bites with one piece of bait
But it confirms what i was getting at, that a 28 is nothing like a 30 so why say a 30 is a big 28?
Kev, last Saturday we raced in constant 10-15 with a couple of gusts at a guess 20-25 with full main and cut down #2(from furler days)the 28 handled it no problems rounded up once but that was my fault(yes i admit it).
We have 1 race left in this series and the mighty E28 is holding down 1st place.
Not bad with old sails and i still need to antifoul, had a diver clean the bum a few weeks ago.
Chris, I can't confirm wether i will be at the Nationals yet.
The fit out on Bon Doobie is nothing like any other E28, Kev & Sasha have seen the inside, Sasha even had day out on her.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 5:11:06 PM
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Guys, at this stage "Splinter" will not be at the Nationals as we have a pointscore race on,which as I have reported in the past is part of the Navigators Cup. Up to this year it has not been a pointscore race and I would have been able to come.
The closest I will be able to come is we start somewhere in Botany Bay 12.00 hours on the 21st Jan. Then to a boey off Bondi then to Port Hacking. a standard 23 miler.
By the way Chris, I also have been working over the rig and I think I have achieved a bit more performance. |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 08 December 2005 : 5:55:01 PM
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If I was four inches shorter I would be lusting after your boat, David.
Bon Doobie's belowdecks fitout is pretty unique and very worthwhile.
Though the velvet upholstered pleasure-pit with gold-leaf wall paper on board Swan Song is still a strong memory.
Sasha
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 6:16:39 PM
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I must admit Dav, I should go fishing with you. Thats what I will be doing for 3/4 weeks over Xmas down at Killarney on the Sth Coast.
Thought it may have dragged in a few other '28 owner on the 28 site. They should espouse the wonderful features of the '28
We all know if in the right conditions the '28 "could" and I am being possibly one eyed, the fastest model of all Endeavours.
This would have to be on certain conditions.
A. not smooth water, but not too rough.
B. A windward/return course so you could almost get her up a plan.
C. Wind 15 - 20
D. Eskie full.
Now we all know it's horses for courses and all the different classes all have there strong points. We hear from Adrian and he is going well with his pointscore, you check the fleet and the water and the '26's up their are ideal. (they are generally good everywhere)
The 28's so far as I have been able to find have never raced successfully Off-shore. Correct me if I am wrong but all they want to race on is a dam or smooth water. I have a zodiac which I could race all the other dingies up at Audley. But we on the bigger boat like to have fun outside.
Leigh cruises the Tasman Sea around Tasmania, Ian cruises & races around Hobart. Chris & Rod when they are finished talking and working on polishing and refining the rig may find the entrance to Sydney Harbour. Their navigation is easy when you go out of the head you turn left or right.
I think the offshore sailing is the most enjoyable part of owning & sailing a big Endeavour. We have many/many enjoyable hours on Splinter and most are out in the big Blue.
Because our beloved '30s were designed in the late '60s and now 40 years later we have a solid/reliable yacht that our handicapper with their current programmes do not know what to do with us. Light airs we do only modiately, med to heavy airs we kick ass. So the most inexpensive way to go Off-Shore racing is in something like an Endeavour preferrably a '30.
If in any race the modern boats such are NS38, Sydney 32, 38, Farr 40, Massrim 30 Inglis 38 and the Adams from 10 to 15m and others if they connot put up a spinnaker then you have them and you will place. I love kicking their A.
They have all spent 200k plus and an Endeavour knocks them off on handicap, I love it.
cheers,
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 08 December 2005 : 9:25:21 PM
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Hi All,
I can vouch for Bon Doobie's performance off shore. we sailed her back to the lake from the last Championships sailed at Botany Bay in a strong southerly. We sat on the one wave for almost the entire journey. We used a poled out No2 and a full main. It was a glorious ride. I have expounded the virtues of this yacht previously on this site.
Good Sailing
Adrian
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
124 Posts |
Posted - 10 December 2005 : 11:09:53 PM
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| Just noticed an E27 called "Felice" parked on a mooring in Double Bay near mine - is that one the mafia are familiar with? |
Shed boy #1, the one holding the stick thingy. |
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 11 December 2005 : 09:49:54 AM
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Felicia maybe? if so a guy down here used to own her - Glenn Pulling - he use to go to all the regattas - was a single handed nut!!
The boat was in pristene condition - really safe and well set up. |
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 11 December 2005 : 11:12:11 AM
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Hi All,
I'm presently reading Fastnet-Force 10 by John Rousmaniere. This was written shortly after the 1979 race when 15 sailors were lost at sea or died. This edition has an introduction written in 2000 that refers to the 1998 Hobart Race. Chapter 2 is devoted to the demise of the Holland 30 Grimalkin which is a very similar yacht in many ways to the Endeavour 30. A good read for all safety minded offshore sailors.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 11 December 2005 : 1:30:06 PM
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Adrian,
I enjoyed reading "Fastnet" as well.
Another one which is really like the "bible" of really hard core offshore stuff is Adlard Coles "Heavy Weather Sailing".
Costs a bit I know, but the way they teach the techniques, then give practical examples of various incidents and how different techniques may have helped is excellent. A brilliant book for those of us foolhardy enough to take on Huey out of sight of land every now and then! |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
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Posted - 11 December 2005 : 3:31:30 PM
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| That's probably thevboat Colin - it does look very extensively set up and has a single handed smell to it... |
Shed boy #1, the one holding the stick thingy. |
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 11 December 2005 : 6:47:44 PM
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Another Christmas present and I love them, sounds like a good read.
cheers, |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 20 December 2005 : 8:10:49 PM
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There are currently only seven big Endearvour Yachts for sale. Two 27s, two 28s', two 30's & one 32, which has been there forever.
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