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Robert Simmons
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 Posted - 21 December 2005 : 11:26:46 AM
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| Chris / Anybody....What is an E32 like? Is it like a bigger (ie LOA) 30. After cruising thro these forums I have an idea what a 30 is like (we have one 26 only at RPYC, I don't think anything larger made it over here), and I have cruised a fair bit off the coast here in a Custom 30, and your 30's sound of similar ilk. Tough as, iffy performer in light/moderate airs, but arc up a swell and breeze and with the right setup you can comfortably drive and enjoy a can or two. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 11:59:45 AM
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Hullo Robert,
Well the E30 came in two main models, the Mark 1 version, which our boat, the Hagar IV is and the Mark 2 version which is the cruising version. There were only 30 odd of the E30s' built for Australia. The Mark 1s' were highly competitive half tonners in their day. Kevin Swadling races his Mark 1, the Splinter offshore as a highly competitive handicap yacht for some years. We are working towards bringing the Hagar IV up to Cat 3 and race alongside Splinter offshore.
As far as I'm aware there were only six E32's built for Australia, however I discovered in a conversation with Reg Gardiner that there were a lot of E32s' built & exported.
There are photos of E28s', E30s & one E32 for sale on the Boatboint web site and you can get there via this site if you go to page one of NEW BIG BOATS.
The E28s through to the E32s' were all well built and I have been aboard all of the boats except the E32. Sasha has inspected the one for sale in Melbourne.
The E30's are exceptionally good sea boats and go well upwind, missing out somewhat off the breeze as they do not get up & plane like the newer boats. Remember they are a 40 year old design & most are over 30 years old.
Our Club Commodore who races with us sometimes has given us the thumbs up and has said the E30 is a very safe sea boat & was a good buy.
Kevin Swadling & I have collections of E30 photos if you are interested.
Chris.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 1:21:56 PM
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Robert,
In regards to the E30 & 32s'. they are fairly similar in underwater shape. If you can get hold of an Endeavour Blue Book there are some elevation & plan views of each of the boats.
Overall though, they do not use all of their length as compared to later designed 30 footers, with a clipper type bow and short waterline length. However, there were IOR designed and as such were beamy craft and made use of the IOR rules, Their wateline increased as they heeled over and we have noted that in gusts, as the Hagar heels over she will accelerate. In addition they are big boats downstairs and our boat has ten berths. Even though some are narrow & cramped. The headroom is better in the Mark 2 E30s. Having not seen an E32 myself I advise that Sasha would be the best person to described the comfort zones.
The main differences between the 30 & 32 is the reverse sheer of the transum on the 32 as well as her having a central cockpit, according to the blue book. The E28s' are different in hull shape and have a lower freeboard.
With regards to performance comparisons, well the jury is still out on that one. At the 40th Aniversary Regatta, we finished better that all of the 28s, & 30s' and were beaten regularly by one E27. However, the conditions were light and it was on flat waters of Botany Bay. A lot also comes down to how well the crew performs as wel as how good the sails are. Ours are very old originals.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 2:28:54 PM
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The E32 that I was aboard is not in any way like a 30 (other then floating on water and stuff).
The centre cockpit is tiny and cramped. The steering pedestal and wheel is directly over the rudder post, so there is nothing to go wrong and the feedback is excellent. On the downside, you are either sitting beside the wheel or sitting with your bum wedged into the open companionway of the rear cabin! Even Margaret (pre-pregnancy) could not stand directly behind the wheel.
Downstairs is reasonably roomy and comfortable in the main cabin, there seems about the same amount of room as the mkI 30 but with considerably better headroom. The boat is also beamier and this is felt in the cabin. Without meaning any insult to the new owner of Scotch Mist (an e28), there is the same amount of "furniture" downstairs, but it still manages to be open and roomy with space to "spread out". The nav station and galley are both nice, not as roomy as the American boats like Catalinas and such, but still generous by Endevour standards.
The big Surprise package is the "bonus" rear cabin, which pretty much does not need to be there in terms of the below-decks logic and layout, but can be accessed either from deck or by walking through the area that would be the starboard quarterberth. Nicely enough, the area directly under the cockpit floor, as accessed by this corridor is the "pantry" storage area, and this works really nicely, offering lots of storage that is also very fast and easy to acces specific items (as opposed to dropping things into the cavernous spaces beneath settees and then taking hours to find them again a week later).
The "owner's cabin" at the back is surprisingly spacious and not as dark and dingy as I thought it would be. I wanted to add deadlights from seeing the external hull...but somehow the clear lexcen splashboard manages to let in sufficient light and the ventilation is also surprisingly good. The bed (it is a standalone island with walkspace(just) on either side) is a large double and definately bigger then the V berth. It even lacks the celibacy-inducing support cable for the babystay cutting the space in half!
(Yes I know it is removable, but that is not an option when sailing and too much bother the rest of the time unless you have stopped for several days).
During cruising the aft cabin is one huge storage bin, the plan would seem to be that you eat your way in and that the bed is cleared of supplies by the time you reach your destination and can sleep on something other then a sea-berth.
So far so good? Well, there are downsides...
The performance is pretty bad, not just ordinary, or average...but downright bad.
this could be specific to the example I sailed on, but I do not think that is *entirely* the case. The model I was on had a fractional rig, a seemingly too short mast and the pointing ability of a wet sponge. Winches were not in optimum positions to make sailing enjoyable, and single handing would be tough if you did not use an auto-pilot (it would HAVE to be a an external wheel-pilot, and that would eat even more cockpit space), two people is about it for a cockpit that is actually being used. Margaret me and the broker felt like sardines and needed to go below for the elbow-room.
The foredeck is spacious but the bow area is poorly layed out and ugly (I think this may have been a modification on this specific boat, I do not think Reg has ever had a thought quite as bad as this boat's bow arrangement).
I have just been called away for baby stuff. I can do more of a review and post some pics later if you like. We still have our original notes form the day.
bye
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 3:20:33 PM
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Good stuff Sasha,
Awaiting the next edtion on the E32. We would love to see the pics. Would you please email all of them to me & I'll forward them onto those interested here, ie, Kev etc.
How is the nipper going? Are you two getting enough sleep, we used to sleep with one & sometimes two between us. When the third came along I moved to the lounge. Sympathise with you both.
Have you contacted the Hagar Too owner and are you coming up in January?
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 4:10:14 PM
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I was going to make a seperate post about that. At the moment it looks like Margaret will not be able to organise coming to Sydeny for the Nationals....Which would mean that I would jump at the chance to crew on hagar with you...
but last night I got a call asking if I would be interested in being an on-water volunteer for the yachting Australia "thing" when the Volvo70's come to Melbourne...At the same time!
Now I would love to sail in the nationals....But getting to be up close and personal with the volvo70's also sounds like way too much fun (though Margaret is worried I will get ideas and start trying to modify Fortis into an Open 70).
So I may need to toss a coin on this one. But it looks like hiring Hagar Too is not going to happen, Then again, life is unpredictable at the moment, so who knows?
I will just post the E32 pics here. The pics I took have a major failing. NONE of the aft cabin or cockpit shots came out worth a damn. I may need to go out and take some more, since that is a major issue with the boat.
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2005 : 9:17:02 PM
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Sasha,
Let us know on what you decide about Sydney. The spot is there for you at this stage to race with us, but we will have to cover the spot in the lead-up to the nationals. Would love to have a look over a Volvo 70. Make sure you can get aboard one and tale some pics, it sounds great.
Would still like to see any of the shots that you took of the E32, even dark poor quality ones.
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Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 22 December 2005 : 04:44:56 AM
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See what you mean about the bow Sasha, the bow tip is ugly. It is a pitty about the missing photos and it would be great if you could get back sometime & take some more. I would like to see shots of the cockpit, fractional rig as well as open shots of the main cabin, aft cabin, v-berth & the engine areas.
At the price that the owner is asking she will be there a long time. I have never seen one of these boats. There is talk of an E32 boat named the Headhunter about Pittwater somewhere.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 22 December 2005 : 12:12:57 PM
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| Thanks guys, awsome info. Yes.... the bow does look a little like it was cut from a Leeder 28 stinker. Did Endeavour Yachts themselves do the interior fitout, or send elsewhere? |
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 22 December 2005 : 12:41:39 PM
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I think Endeabour did the interior fitouts on all the big boats. 24's and 26's were the big "surprise package" of owner finished project boats. I have no idea about 27's. Of the two 28's I have been abaord, the radically different interiors are both aftermarket additions, showing faint traces of original layout.
The uglyness of the bow is highlighted by the absence of a bow roller of any sort, and the fact that the pulpit is off a standard bow boat so it does not have the "gate" opening that would make the walkway of any use. It is actually one of the toughest boats to get on and off of, as a combination of the docking arrangement and the bloody stupid bow setup which sees you leaning out at a 30degree angle before you can throw a leg over the pullpit rail.
Oh yeah, the boat has a 20hp engine...which is adequate for the 30...but may be a shade too small for the heavier (and somewhat more ungainly) 32.
Sasha
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 22 December 2005 : 11:01:01 PM
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| I has a 32 pointed out to me by one of my skippers in about 1998 - it was on a mooring at St Kilda when we were on our way to start a Cock of the Bay. I have a normal photo of it somwhere, but it was light blue in hull color and didn't have the strange bow like the one above. In fact it just looked like a stretched version of a E30 with a wheel and a tiny raised aft cabin at the rear that was up higher than the cockpit combings. Maybe the one above has had that bow bit added on?? |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 26 December 2005 : 08:46:51 AM
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Leigh,
Colin Cole or Reg Gardiner himself may be the only people who can answer your question on the ugly duckling bow on this E32. Can you find the photo you mentioned of the other E32, and if you can scan & either post it to this site or email it to Sasha or myself.
Sasha, What was this E32s' name?
It is interesting that from the photos you took Sasha, the cupboards & some of the panelling is similar to the Swan Songs interior (Murphys Lore)with the mesh over the cupboard doors as well as the stiped flooring.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 04 January 2006 : 4:03:04 PM
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Today while perusing the Big Endeavous for sale I noted that the site managers have reduced the number of "Big Boats" on offer. The E30, Hollywood has gone and possibly been sold. In addition one of the E28s' has gone and one is listed as sold. And of course they have the same Victorian E32 listed twice. This brings back the Big Boat List to five craft only.
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Sasha
Helmsman
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Posted - 04 January 2006 : 4:10:06 PM
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Both the caned cupboard fronts and the fake flooring teak and holly flooring are a feature of what classy boats looked like back then! I have to say I am still a fan of both, though with a lighter honey coloured timber for interiors. The cane allowed good air circulation through the cupboards, and you could not ask for a lower weight panel that still has the strength to keep cans or tools from tumbling out.
I actually got the impression of more differences then similarities between Swan Song and the sort-of-nameless (I still have not bothered digging out the paperwork) 32.
Sasha
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 09 January 2006 : 3:27:28 PM
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I dont' know why it is but when ever someone asks questions about E30s' or 32's they just seem to pop up! Well I've just been looking at the Big Boats For Sale link this morning and there is a very fine looking E32 for sale. Her name is the Pegasus and the asking price is $53,500.00. Here are some of the details:
PEGASUS is a beautifully maintained example of this popular design, first launched 1983, ideal for short handed coastal cruising. Constructed from GRP there is nothing to do but sail. Auxiliary power Volvo 15HP. This yacht has been lovingly maintained by its owner. Includes self furler, lazy jacks, wheel steering, Genoa - 3/4 - storm, battened main, Simrad WP10 wheel pilot, VHF etc.
She is white hulled & looks OK. I will try and get to see her. She is located in Sydney & the contact number is: 0418 586 911
At the price she will not last very long.
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Chris Cope
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Australia
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 12 January 2006 : 9:43:42 PM
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This afternoon Rod Childs & myself went over to Drummoyne and inspected the E32 Pegasus which is on offer for sale. She is a very big 32 foot craft with heaps of head room and locker storage. She is in quite good condition & I will try & produce a report on my immpressions of her tomorrow and hopefully Rod will contribute with his impressions. Have heaps of photos.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 13 January 2006 : 10:03:07 PM
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THE PEGASUS E32
As already stated Rod Childs and myself went to Drummouyne on Thursday
afternoon and inspected the Endeavour 32 foot "Pegasus". The owner,
William Street stated that he purchased her off the original owner who
was a Barister by the name of Nelson in 1998. He also informed us that
he thought the boat was built in 1980 or 1982 by Jim Lay.
The boat is in generally good condition and presents well. She is bigger
both outside as well as inside as compared to the E30 Mark 1 & 2's. Even
with the aft raised cabin she looks good side on in elevation. She rode
high in the water.
The Hull looked very sound and there were no visible structural defects.
We did not see her out of the water and the undersides were a bit slimey.
The sides are good, while the decking gelcoat was faded, but sound and is
very solid. More so than on the Mark 1 E30s.
The mast looks to be identical in height to the Hagar, & is a mast head rig,
is clean & most likely painted in recent times. She passed survey for
insurance
a year ago. The mast is supported by two lower sets of stays as well as the
normal shrouds & with forestay & backstay and there was no baby stay.
The mast needs to be adjusted with visible pre-bend and there is no
adjustable
backstay, which is fixed. Having said that the forestay is slack.
The main was under a cover and looked to be in fair condition. There is a
number
three jib on the furler as well as a storm jib and a number one jib. There
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no kites. There is however a kite pole used for the jibs.
When asked I was informed by the Owner that she was about 6,000 kilos
weight,
as compared to the E30s which is about 3,500 kilos. Rod also noted that she
rides with a slight lean to port.
We found the cockpit to be larger than that of the E30, being of rectangular shape and the with the steering wheel
located just aft of the centre and withthe mainsail block fited to the centre forward of the wheel. There is a self
steering mechanism. There are hatches leading to the aft sleeping cabin as well as the one leading to the main cabin.
There is a range of instrunments which Rod asked about & I did not hear. The engine is a Volvo 15 HP and is located under the main cabin stairs.
Inside the main cabin: Up frount there is a large double V-Berth which is up high, but with loads of space & is lined with
a light coloured timber panneling and there are lockers and the tops are lined with carpet which is a warm honey colour.
The WC also doubles as a shower and I think there is hot water. The WC & Shower can be closed off from rest of the boat with a door which swings around and can seal off the after part of the main cabin.
The main cabin, like the WC area has plenty of head room & you are not ducking or bumping your head like an E30. The cabin is fitted out with the same light coloured timber panneling which is in good condition & would came up looking new if given a light sanding & coat of varnish. The stove is enclosed in the starboard side galley bench and there is good space and a sink.
The port side has a bench style table and bench seats & throughout there are sealed lockers and stroage areas. The bench table collapses and converts into a double berth.
Aft of the setee is a large ice box with some form of old refrigeration unit. Aft of the starboard side galley there is a long wing bert which leads to the after main double berth. There is a large drop down map locker-board aft of the main cabin where there is a range of timber panneled storage lockers as found throughout the boat.
The aft double berth is interesting as you could actually fit a double as well as a singe along the port side. The area down aft also incorperates the stering mechanisms and all the engine controls. It was accessable from the after hatch as well as along the starbard wing berts. The after part of the boat is the only area which showed leakage and stained timbers which was seen affecting the transom area.
The engine started first time, but the owner was on board when we arrived. She sounded OK.
As already mentioned she looks sound and clean, has loads of space, but is heavy and would be slow and there are not many sails. She is strictly a nice cruiser and both Rod & I were pleasantly surprised with the spaceousness & comfort.
There would be many other must dos' if we were serious about upgrading, although Rod sounded open. I am not as she is too heavy and slow and I need to race.
Chris.
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Sasha
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Posted - 13 January 2006 : 11:07:26 PM
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Sounds about a million times more worthwhile then the Melbourne example...Also sounds liek a somewhat different internal layout (the melbourne boat does not have access through to the aft cabin form the port quarter, only starboard. Alsoother described differences...And of course the melbourne boat is a short rigged fractional).
Pictures, man, pictures!
Send them to me if you want me to host them so they can be viewed by all.
Sasha
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