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4Seasons
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Posted - 26 October 2005 :  8:45:07 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ATTENTION SPLINTER !!!! I think you'll find that swannie and kiatoa are sailing with us at gosford... this is the poor end of the land... we've only got two 30s,but a good fleet of those unbeatable 26's
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Splinter
Helmsman

Australia
500 Posts

Posted - 26 October 2005 :  9:51:29 PM  Show Profile  Visit Splinter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Don't throw me the bait, Gosford is a place I have always wanted to come and sail. When I first got the girl we spent 2 weeks on Pittwater and was not game to go into the Brisbane Waters. I suppose now I won't even think about it with a bit of experience.
Yes guys, one day we will come and visit you blokes even if it only for a long weekend.
I donnnow know about those other things you are talking about, are they the fresh water version or the up harbour version ?. I have seen so many versions over the last 4 weeks they have me confused do you catch Bream off them or not.
cheers,

"Splinter"
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Splinter
Helmsman

Australia
500 Posts

Posted - 05 November 2005 :  7:39:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit Splinter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Well "Spinter" had a great day to-day, very light wind 10 - 15, but the problem was, was coming from all angles. We did the Port Hacking to Botany Bay marks. One of my favorites.
It was a bit of a buz for us I did not notice at first, but on the track was Mike Sloane and "The Buzz", they are now doing the off-shore series. I must admit I got a BUZZ and kept an eye on them all day. They did great.
I think after the track of about 4 1/2 hours they were about 12 min behind us. Great result for mike & crew and I would believe that should give him a good handicap result with CSC, as we got 2nd on handicap at the RM (provisional results)
Great day, only had one stuff up of the kite at the Georges river mark (outside Reg's place) but we can handle that, otherwise a great day.
cheers,

"Splinter"
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Splinter
Helmsman

Australia
500 Posts

Posted - 05 November 2005 :  7:56:51 PM  Show Profile  Visit Splinter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
4 Seasons, Sorry I do not know your name and even in your profile you have not even included your name in there.
However, I alway thought the poorer end of the land was the further south you when, I think you guys up north are retired and are richer from retirement. And I do'nt mean only in dollars.
So far as the '30s you have one of ours in Swannie. It was "the Murph" and John is enjoying himself. The other 30 is it "Kiotoa" ? what a nice boat, but does he use it often. I have heard he is busy with his profression.
Now about those little buzz boxes, there like flies, plenty off emm, but where are the good ones, and what do you do with them after you finish racing on Saturday afternoon. Do you wash them on Sunday morning or go Cruising with the wife with the prawns and Chardie !
(I think we may have one now sail Off-shore with us)
cheers,

"Splinter"
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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 06 November 2005 :  5:17:03 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today Rod, Old Pete & myself raced aboard the Hagar in a light easterly breeze which took us from North Harbour, into Middle Harbour up to Rose Bay, around Shark Island & back to finish at North Harbour.
The shortened kite pole worked really well, with it easier to handle as well as the big kite setting & looking really good.
It was a handicap start & we were beaten on the line by about a minute & a half. We lost because we were shorthanded as well as not setting up the kite early enough on the last leg. Nevermind, we will get them next week. It as a good race & we learnt a lot with the brains trust, Pete aboard. We need a jocky pole as well as braces & have some adjustments to be made for fixing the halliards to the mast while racing.
Next Friday night is the first twilighter & a long marathoun Islands race around the harbour.
Chris.
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Sasha
Helmsman

838 Posts

Posted - 06 November 2005 :  7:35:31 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Okay. I know what a jockey pole is. What are the braces in this context?

And in what way do you need to secure the halyards differently?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Sasha

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Go Flow
Helmsman

Australia
751 Posts

Posted - 06 November 2005 :  8:03:06 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Sasha and Chris,
The brace is the windward sheet rope on the spinnaker. We run our spinnaker halyard through a cam cleat on the mast that helps speed up the raising by having a crew member next to the mast haul the halyard down through the cam cleat. I have a Jockey Pole surplus to requirements if anyone want's it. We have tweekers on the braces and twin downhauls that are set to the side of the bow that render the Jockey pole unnecessary.
Adrian
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Sasha
Helmsman

838 Posts

Posted - 06 November 2005 :  9:06:44 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I knew that one rope was the brace and the other the sheet depending on which one the pole was attached to, it just did not sound like that was what Chris was talking about.
I may well be wrong about that.

They certainly already had *that* sort of brace on board Hagar. I picked up quite a few ideas about spinnaker work from my day on board with them.

Sasha

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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 07 November 2005 :  6:39:41 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good Evening Kevin.
Have just got off the blower from Rodney and I have suggested to him that it would be a nice little run down to Port Hacking on either the afternoon of 18th or the morning of the 19th of November.
Join up with you and race back to Manly with your fleet.
It is something which we can work towards. A bit of a grand day out for us as we have not raced offshore yet. However it will be a struggle to organise a crew at this end.
Do you see any problems with that?
Maybe David of Bon Doobie might also be interested?
Chris.
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David
Helmsman

Australia
232 Posts

Posted - 07 November 2005 :  7:03:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the thought but i am having trouble getting crew for Saturday's.

We are running with no spinaker,or foredecky to be precise. It's disheartning to stick with them to the top mark then struggle to keep in sight as they take off.

Maybe i would do well in twighlights, but midweek is a bit hit and miss for me.

David.

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Sasha
Helmsman

838 Posts

Posted - 07 November 2005 :  7:38:38 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would offer to come up again, but we are in Tassie that week, hopefully getting a look at Caroline before she goes to her new owner.

I also have a 120year old huon pine sailing dinghy to pick up from the friend's place I left it at 5 years or more ago and bring back to Melbourne.

Sasha

But with a couple of weeks notice, I am happy to come up and crew an offshore race.




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Colin Cole
Helmsman

Australia
676 Posts

Posted - 07 November 2005 :  8:37:43 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Now that dinghy I WANT to see a pic of Alex please - the boatbuilder in me thinks she may well be a work of art - despite apperance at present or lack of TLC.
Please - Col
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Sasha
Helmsman

838 Posts

Posted - 07 November 2005 :  9:56:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's the classic rounded bow, planked dinghy, with the little 14 inch foredeck (at least from memory). It was a gift from a friend who stayed with us at our farm along the Huon river. The place had its own jetty and you could see all of these little islands scattered in the river. I got inspired and said wouldn't it be cool to have an old boat to do the whole "Swallows and Amazons" thing and be able to go to the islands for romantic picnics and such.

Well, the friend, who liked finding odd and obscure places to shop, made more of that comment then I probably did. Anyway, I got back form driving her to the airport for her flight home and came back to find that this dinghy had been delivered into the driveway. In the house I found the note that she had left behind, to the effect that she had seen it, thought of me, knew it needed lots of TLC but got it for a song and thought I would enjoy the challenge.

Well she got it for a song allright, the thing was covered in 75 layers of bad houspaint, the most recent of them sky blue, and had a cracked plank. But as I started work, I was amazed by the utter lack of rot in all the places rot should have been. I stripped back some timber and did the thumbnail test...
Then I took off a section of rail from the transom and took it down the road to the huon pine timber worker who confirmed that it was huon pine alright...and a nice dense grained old sample at that.

This promptly frightened me away form doing anything potentially damaging on the hull for ages and it sat under cover while I tried to learn something about how to restore it.

A little while after the dinghy arrived in our driveway, our neighbour from across the road came by and asked after the boat. I mentioned the plans of sailing and rowing out to the islands for picnics. He laughed and then got serious and told me that it was a very bad idea. You see those islands (Egg Island being the one directly across from our jetty, if you ever look at a map of the arera)are where tiger snakes spend their winters. Lots and lots of tiger snakes. He also pointed out that he had meant to tell me about the spring ritual.Spring is when it gets warm enough for the snakes to wake up and remember to be good and hungry, as well as irritated and territorial about the thousands of other snakes all around them. And that is when, by the hundreds a day, for a couple of weeks each spring, they swim across from the islands. And they crawl all the way across my property and across the road, and then across his property and up into the hills, where they do their thing until late autumn, when it all comes back the other way, but in autumn they are better mannered.

Sure enough, late that spring you could stand on the riverbank at around 10am and see all this little bow-waves from tiger snakes swimming towards you. We lost pretty much all of the chickens in three days, one goat got bitten and needed to be put down, and I bought the lady I was with a 4-10shotgun for when she went walking in the fields. Our horses we moved to a friend's place for a week.

It sort of killed the incentive for fixing up the dinghy any time quickly!

But now it will come back to Melbourne with me and get restored and done up. The Hampton Sailing club has another quite similar and has offered it a free parking space year round on its little lock-up hard-stand, on the condition that both dingheys represent the club at the wooden boat festival, even if it means lending it to someone if I am not planning to go myself.
Seems like a fair deal to me.

I will post pics, both before, during and after.

Hopefully nothing too bad has befallen it while it has been in storage for years!


Sasha

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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 12 November 2005 :  08:17:47 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sasha, Looking forwards to see the pics of the resteration of the Huon Pine Dinghy. It is the most amazing timber!
Well last night the Hagar sailed in its' first big boat & fleet race with about 30 odd yachts in the Manly Yacht Club opening twilighter race for the season. We went off in the middle of the fleet with the 36s' & 38s', it was a handicap start. It was a comfortable 10 to 12 knot north easterly in a single triangular course down from Manly to the Sour & Pigs mark, over to a western shore mark & a work back to a Manly finish.
The Hagar did very well, finishing in about seventh across the line. I noted that many of the boats which beat us had recently been slipped & painted & there was only two boats which passed us. A Cav 39 and a very quick 36. We spent the evening passing boats.
Old Pete, our brains trust noted that the Hagar had a dirty bottom, the main is too baggy, there is turbulence in the rudder & we need to install the Skirts. And of course we are still sailing with a heavy weight number one header which is ? years old.
All that aside it was beautiful evenings sail & a great way to end a very busy working week.
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Sasha
Helmsman

838 Posts

Posted - 12 November 2005 :  08:35:52 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you start seriously tendering out for new sails, you might want to take a look at Fiberpath from Ullman Sails.
They have agents in Sydney:
Bruce Hollis & Neville Whittey
33 Park Road
Sans Souci 2219
Sydney, Australia
Telephone
612 9529 8546
Fax
612 9529 3425

http://ullmansails.com/fiberpath.html

I have only looked at the website and run down a bunch of comparisons and reviews...But for price, weight and longevity they really do seem to come up well in independent reviews.

If you do have a wrod to them, please let me know what you think, as I am far less experienced at sail hunting and am seriously tempted by these.

Sasha


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4Seasons
Helmsman

723 Posts

Posted - 12 November 2005 :  09:30:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Splinter , my name is Eric Hodgins (or Seaman Staines as some unkind person suggested) I am 135years old,at least after each race...we dont hose the boat after each race for two reasons ( water restictions and total exhaustion). bringing bait etc onto my boat would be frowned upon and as for cruising (bay drifting) you dont use a ferrari for sunday drives.. There is a popular misconception that i am a bit one eyed,..One day when you decide to face up to half tide rocks and our ''rip''to enter brissy waters we'd love to see you,i'm sure you would like it here,, no tide to speak of ,no ferries,no jet skis just a great spot ..4 seasons
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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 12 November 2005 :  09:39:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sasha, The exotic materials tend to be very expensive and there are some members in our yacht who are a bit more than "tight" with there money. However, we are guided by out young sailmaker who has been making skiff sails for us for about twenty years. Brett Scott also made the set of sails which one the E26 nationals for three years straight! They came third with four year old sails in the last Nationals. He is a very creative and honest chap. He will be making a new Mainsail for us out of one of the best dacron materials, hopefully this side of Christmas. He designs & cuts his sails off the computer and they are very good. He is currently making sails for one of the top 16 sailors in Australia as well as some of the best Yachties.
I will ask him about the material you mentioned & give you his feedback.
Chris.
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Splinter
Helmsman

Australia
500 Posts

Posted - 13 November 2005 :  8:57:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Splinter's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Eric, thanks for your response, I look forward to facing the 1/2 tide rocks and "rip" next time I go north. And to catch up with all you guys on the Waters. I am guilt, I have not spent much time on Pittwater in the last 5 years but will amend that shortly and also enjoy Brisbane Waters.
Even now I think my plans for the new year break may have changed and most likely will not be on "Splinter" at all until the 21st Jan. 1 st time in 5 years.
Will see what occurs over the next few weeks.
Have spent the weekend down the coast, am stiff & tied but had an enomise weekend.
The gurnie was fantastic, now all finished. Thanks,
cheers,

"Splinter"

Edited by - Splinter on 13 November 2005 9:02:29 PM
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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 14 November 2005 :  03:39:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yesterdays race at North Harbour, Sunday the 13th , was one of those Harbour Parades. The Islands Race. It took us from North Harbour down to Shark, Clark, Pinchgut, Goat, Cockatoo, Snapper & whatever to return via Clark to port and back up to North Harbour. It was a mixed Easterly. And along the way we ran into a few Endeavours around Drumoyne. We were very short handed, again, with only three on board which made for some hairy jibes and a lousy kite drop. But up wind she went well.
We found that if we pulled the crap out of the backstay and then the same on the baby stay it flattened out the main reasonably well. It went the best it ever did upwind & accelerated really well in the gusts in big gear.
Although we got fastest time there were not enough works and we dipped out on handicap with the flat bottomed boat doing us off the breeze.
On Friday night we had five crew, which was OK with no kites, but Sunday, with kites we only had the three of us.
Chris.
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Chris Cope
Skipper

Australia
2350 Posts

Posted - 14 November 2005 :  5:32:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WHAT MOTIVATES SAILORS?
On this weekend past I was reminded of some of my own past tactics to get out and on the water in a compeditive boat.
Well this short story is the weekend adventures of Rodney. His is a tale not unlike many a sailor. A chap just wants to go sailing! And the family, in the form of SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED spends their lives trying to stop us. Really! all we want to do is to go out and play with our mates & with our boats. However I transgress.
This weekend Rodney had a leave pass from SHMBO to work in the Army, he is an ancient sargent in a commando unit & specialises in water opps. This however was a cover for the more sinister activities of playing boats with the Hagar IV and his mates! So he was away from home all weekend. On Friday night he had a leave pass from the army & sailed the twilighter with us straight from work. Then got dressed in the army gear and toddled off to play army all night. He then reappeared at North Harbour on Sunday morning & went racing off down the harbour aboard the Hagar IV. Got back to NHSC & then got back into his army gear and after a few cleansing alles went home after a very strenuous weekend of armies to present himself to SWMBO![:-angel]

Some years ago I renevated & extended our home & managed to skim off enough money to buy a new fourteen foot skiff, but thats another story.
Chris.
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