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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
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 Posted - 27 February 2006 : 8:42:48 PM
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Gee Chris, I'm not going there!, we race against a Farr 40 "Short Shipped" is like a Formula 1 racing car. They are rockets.
It would be hard to try to cheat on one of them. What would you do ?
They are all crew work, and that is what we should all concentrate on. Don't worry about the other bloke worry about what is going on your boat & crew. The most important thing is that your crew turns up every race. We have a crew of 7, the worst day we had was only 4 crew and that is workable. we normally have 5-6 and the boat is comfortable.
Back to the Farr 40, "Short Shipped" has a very regular crew all of Matt & Christine Shorts family. All the kids and sister-in-law and Son-in-law, etc.
If you look at crew like this it does not matter that they have a very fast yacht because they totally enjoy there sailing and racing and they are good at it.
For the boats with hired crew, we all know about the "ROCK STARS", well what do you say, they are the pites. I would not even talk to them as they are a pain in the "A"
Cheers, lets enjoy our "Endeavours" |
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
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Posted - 27 February 2006 : 9:34:04 PM
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Originally posted by Chris Cope
David,
Do these jet sailors in Farr 40s' cheat like some of the sailors in our classes?
ie, stripped out under weight & un-weighed boats etc.
Chris.
Chris, as far as I'm aware they don't cheat in top-end one-design sailing, and the boats are weighed and measured frequently.
You may however recall there was a mass "weigh in" a couple of Sydney Hobart races ago at the instigation of one of the maxi boat owners. All the big name boats were weighed, and as I recall pretty much all were 200kg or more away from their stated weights, though in fairness some were actually over their IRC certificate weight. These boats weighed in between about 8 (AAPT) and 26 tonnes (Skandia, Zana) so it's hard to say definitively if there was any skulduggery involved, but there were a few red faces and embarrased silences... |
Shed boy #1, the one holding the stick thingy. |
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 27 February 2006 : 10:55:23 PM
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Yawn, Chris - its getting tirersom now!! If we didn't have the underweight/stipped out boats it wouldn't be a challenge - we may as well all go cruiseing - I beleive E30s are good at that.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 28 February 2006 : 09:46:07 AM
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Come in Kevin?[:-cyclops]
The point is that we get more boats at the Nationals, even at Botany Bay! than do the jets with their high powered and priced go fast yachts and in all likelihood we will still be around racing [:-slug],when they have been superceeded and forgotten. We dont' have to cheat.
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david_eastwood
Main Sheet Hand
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Posted - 28 February 2006 : 1:53:49 PM
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| Another point is that the MArine Industry would make a lot more money out of me if I thought it was worthwhile spending it on cranking up my Endeavour. |
Shed boy #1, the one holding the stick thingy. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 01 March 2006 : 7:55:00 PM
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This Friday night sees the second last race of the Manly Twilghter Series. We have enjoyed the races and I know that I speak for the whole crew in saying we have learnt a lot about our boat during these races. Our performances have been mixed with two seconds and a lot of finishes in the top end of the fleet. What I have learnt is that you should not finish better than a fourth place because they penalise you by nine minutes for a 1st place, by six minutes for a 2nd & three minutes for a third. This Friday we start at 6.16pm which is six minutes after the scratch boat with most of the boats around us in the 30 to 42 foot range.
The Hagar is planing a social sail/race in company with the MYC fleet to Pittwater on Good Friday and will spent a day or two at Pittwater. Anyone interested in joining us is welcome.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 01 March 2006 : 9:19:34 PM
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Hi Chris, dicussed you idea with a few of our Cruising guys to-day. They are also planning to cruise to Pittwater over Easter. Nothing has been set as yet but will advise later. There will be a few of the RM boats up there with you. I will introduce you to them.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 March 2006 : 9:19:42 PM
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This evenings twilighter was a big let-down with a six man crew and an esky full of the right stuff. Unfortunatly there were a number of factors which were not in our favour this evening. Firstly the breeze was another flukey easterly which swung around and lacked any punch & developed into a soldiers course. The small lightweights skimed off & the big boys with their waterline length quickly mowed us down. Secondly Rod decided to try the flatter of the two number one headsails. It is too flat and we had difficulty pointng and keeping it powered up in the light. Thirdly and finally, at the top rounding mark we ran headlong into the bulk of the Sydney Ameters fleet, which is huge. It may be up to 100 craft or more & makes our fleet of forty odd boats look small. It seemed that half of Sydney was trying to round a small yellow can. We were forced about by a J24 right on the mark, one from our fleet, who decided in a flash of idiocy to sail in the opposite direction than that of the rounding mark. He missed all the boats OK but allowed twenty odd from our fleet to cut inside & pass us both. When we not too politley pointed out some of the folly of his actions, and also having to fend him off from behind us, he said, dont' tell me how to sail my boat. Well some of our replys were none too polite or curtious. There were shades of the old "Buccaneer" coming out.
And so the slow parade continued and we eventually ghosted over the finish line in about fourth last.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 05 March 2006 : 6:47:02 PM
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Todays race at North Harbour saw another light easterly which could not make it's mind if it was going to the south or north. It was a scratch event and with Rod steering with only & Pete & myself. We got away to a good start and by the time we got to the Rose Bay mark from north harbour we had a seven minute lead over the second boat. It was then a long spinaker run down the harbour & up the Parramata River to Spectacle Island. The wind was lightening and by the time we got down to Drumoyne YC the breeze had died & the second boat caught & sailed around us as we floundered in a hole. After rounding the island we quickly passed our adversary and sailed back upwind and reached home from Clarke Isl. We won by about 16 minutes which was not enough on handicap.
It was a long hard day with some good runs as well as some frustration in the light patches. The old Hagar IV certainly prefers the heavier conditions.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 06 March 2006 : 10:22:49 AM
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Rodney has obtained permission from his SWMBO'd to come out and play at Easter. And sooo, we are are encouraged to finish the Hagar off & bring her finally up to Cat 4. This will enable us to race in the Manly Yacht Clubs' race to Pittwater on Good Friday the 14th of April. As we will be a bit short on crew, if there is anyone interested in sailing in the race there with us, please drop us an email of interest. We may stay up there for a day or so, depending upon the weather conditions and sail back on either the Sunday or Monday.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 March 2006 : 1:39:54 PM
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This coming Friday night twilighter at the MYC is the last for the season and it is regretted that the season is finishing, especially as half of the crew cannot sail. So it looks like it will be Andy Eaton & my son Alex only aboard. But the weather is looking like Hagar weather with a southerly change predicted for Friday.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 March 2006 : 09:25:02 AM
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Last nights twilighter at MYC was the last for the season and was sailed in a fast fading south easterly. When we stepped aboard Hagar it was looking like a No3 headsail and were we picked up the rest of the crew it was a number two and halfway up the first work it had faded to a number one. We had a aboard my son & myself aas well as old Pete & David Parsons who sails against us on the Sunday races at North Harbour. We went really well up the fist work but as the breeze dropped out the big boat closed in upon us & mainly took us off the breeze in the run home. We came about twentyish in a fleet of about 35.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 April 2006 : 06:01:12 AM
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Well this Saturday we were penciled in to take some of the foreign relos for an afternoon harbour cruise. However with a southerly gale forecast we went restraunting instead.
On Sunday I recieved an early call from Rod informing me that there was a race on. And so we went forth to do battle at North Harbour. Unfortunately the breeze was all over the place and faded to almost a drifter. We we fortunate and sailed a good first work and quickly reeled in the two other boats and by the next leg were in the lead. However with the breeze fading even further we voted to go home and work on the Hagar. As we sailed into the moorings and dropped the mainsail a beautiful southerly piped in. S**T happens!!!
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 15 April 2006 : 2:34:17 PM
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Have just got home from the RMYC at Pittwater. Had a great trip up yesterday. The weather conditions were not kind with a light 4 to 10 knot south easterly sea breeze. There were seven starters and we were the smallest craft. We had a fair start but were becalmed off Dobroyd headland and the biggies got through & away from us. However we held on grimly & as we rounded North Head we hoisted the big kite and had a most pleasant ride up the coast, reaching and then shy as the breeze eased around to the North East. As we rounded Barrenjoey we squared away and jybed onto port and ran shy all the way to the RMYC. With never the kite having collapsed the whole trip.
At the presentation we found ourselves having come third on handicap. A most rewarding result considering the conditions and our first offshore race.
It has been just on twelve months since we took delivery of the Hagar IV.
We had a good meal last night and crashed aboard with three of us.
Rod & Lee with their families are cruising Pittwater today and may meet up with John Swan.
WE may return to Sydney tonight if the wind moderates or Sunday / Monday.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 24 April 2006 : 7:47:33 PM
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Yesterday was the last race of the season at North Harbour SC. We only had two starters and went off half an hour behind the first boat. There was only Rod & myself aboard the Hagar IV which was OK for the first half of the race, however in the second half when the wind had finally swung from a south westerly to a strengthening south easterly we had sum fun. Mainly because I put the kite halliard on one of the braces and it was a case of an upsidedown kite! However we pulled it down, repacked and and re-hoisted it and was about 15 minutes behind the lead boat.
The Hagar will now undergo some TLC before the June regatta with the annual slipping as well as the rudder skirts and a long list of must does.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 13 June 2006 : 10:44:13 PM
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While those who attended the Toronto Endeavour Regatta last weekend had a great weekends sailing, and especially enjoyed the diverse wind speeds. The great letdown was obviously the failure of many boats which were non-starters. Adrian told us that many had actually paid and then did not start. I was personally disappointed that only Ando & ourselves in the Hagar were there to represent the Big Boat Division, as well as four of our programmed seven man crew pulled out to leave us with only three skippers aboard! You guys really let yourselves down as there was some great sailing, especially on the Sunday when the breeze finally arrived. I suppose the cold conditions as well as the rain & big winds forecast kept many away.
Anyway both Ando & ourselves did not fail to turn in some good results, both winning one heat each & we did show what the E30 can do in favourable conditions on Sunday afternoon. And there is plenty of improvement to come!
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
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Posted - 02 October 2006 : 12:24:05 PM
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Another good Endeavour Regatta has passed by many sailors. This weekends Drummoyne series of races were excellent which can be testified by all who attended. There was a range of breezes and all class divisions represented were competitive and showed excellent boat speed.
From my own biased E30 perspective, it was really great to see three E30s' out there all going for kites and mixing it up with the 26s' & 24's. Well done to the boys from Gosford to bring down the Kiatoa and Swan Song.
I'm looking forward to new sails to see what the Hagar can really do, to date we have just been keeping the E26s' honest, however with some new sails we believe that we can give you guys a shake in conditions over 12 knots.
I have a number of photos of the boats, E30s, of course and if anyone wants them they can drop me an email.
Looking forward to seeing you all at the Nationals.
Chris.
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 03 October 2006 : 10:02:57 AM
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Hi Chris,
I was unable to get to the regatta, but maintain an interest nevertheless.
How many of each type turned up? Who was the gunboat in each class? At our October regatta you might remember we sailed as one group. Is this someting to consider for the future?
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 03 October 2006 : 12:58:45 PM
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Hi Adrian,
You missed a good series and you would have been welcome aboard the Hagar, perhaps next time. In answering your question, we had scratch races with all three divisions starting together. The race saw two strong southerlies in the vecinity of 15 to 20 knots and with some stronger puffs, but nowhere as strong as at the June regatta last race.
The quickest boat in the first two races was Margarete, the Drummoyne E26, then the Hagar and a way back to third with the E24's & E26's and the other two E30s' not carrying kites.
In the two races on Sunday the gun boat was Clewless who only sailed those two races. The morning race turned into a drifter and the afternoon was 15 to 20 but died late.
The E30s bombed out in the morning drifter but we came second behind Clewless in the afternoon. The best E24 was a boat which I do not recall but had a black kite and was white hulled. He had good boat speed in all conditions until midway into the races and always seemed to get lost and we gave him the slip. There was one E27 sighted a yellow & white hulled boat, which I think was called the Yellow Bird. I was not present for the presentation and Rod or someone else will have to describe the final handicap placings.
We had good boat speed both on the wind and could match the other classes off the wind, but our crew-work always let us down and the other boats caught us or shot away, mainly in the kite work. We need more practice.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 03 October 2006 : 5:09:07 PM
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Chris, that white E24 with a black kite...that type of performance suggests an esky problem, do you not think??
Rob |
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