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4Seasons
Helmsman
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 Posted - 04 October 2006 : 01:12:10 AM
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| C'mon copey why dont you tell people how\me and my scurvey crew frightened s*%t out of you on sunday morning when you could only beat kiatoa by about half a length and only then because we couldnt squeeze up enough to clear the finish boat. aint you lucky i wasnt there on saturday.... It would be better if we didnt discuss the sunday arvo race....Old Eric H. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 04 October 2006 : 08:11:59 AM
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Come come Eric,
My recollection was that it was at least half a leg lead. And anyway on Sunday we had a handicap aboard in the form of a female. Did'nt you notice her up the bow?
Lost the new kite bag on the second run, forgot to clip it to the rail and then hooked up the sheets incorrectly on the final run and had the kite tangled with the jib. But we still came out in frount and let Clewless get away.
But is was brave of you to put up the coloured sail. Your boys were a little nervous without you on the Saturday and no kites! The wimps!
Chris. |
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 04 October 2006 : 9:06:50 PM
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| Even (or especially )at my age i could use a handicap like that on my boat. Eric H. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 October 2006 : 8:05:34 PM
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Racing today at North Harbour was a most eventfull day. Rod decided to start the race with very light conditions prevailing. There was only the two of us aboard and we agreed that if the predicted southerly change came in, then we would retire. It was a handicap start and we went off ten minutes after the boat in front. Up the first work it was very light with the breeze in the east south east. The boats in front sailed into a hole and we sailed around them and picked up a south-westerly puff and strolled past the fist mark well with a handy lead. We then tacted to go up into Middle Harbour. The breeze then stopped and the others moved up to the top flagstaff mark. Shortly after it began to fill in from the south & we tacked up into Middle Harbour still with a good lead and drawing away. As we tacted onto starbord from the middle harbour lighthouse I noticed that a yacht further up the harbor was being knocked down and letting its sheets fly. It quickly hit us and Rod let go of out jib sheet and we immediately dropped the number one as the wind began to shriek around us. We then tuned on the engine and dropped the main. We turned the Hagar around under power only and motored back to North Harbour. The waves quickly picked up and the tops were coming across the decks. The wind was up to 40 knots solid and with gusts to 50 knots and after that we became preoccupied with getting home.
A great day out. The boat behind us ran dropped their gear and ran for the lee of Quarantine and waited for the front to go through.
Chris. |
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 08 October 2006 : 10:21:09 PM
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| We can top that ,we had 50+ and broke our mast in a collision with an out of control 36footer..what a BUMMER.We were stooging around in virtually no breeze ,then bang,it hit us, all wehad time to do was drop the no one headsail. three other starters finished up getting washed ashore and are still there..Ive been sailing here for over 40 years and i dont think ive ever seen such big waves here or seen them come up so fast.BUGGER,BUGGER ,BUGGER. ERIC .H |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 08 October 2006 : 10:42:17 PM
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Eric,
Did this take place today? And what time did the southerly frount hit you & how did the mast break
The southerly hit us around 12.15pm today.
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LCJOHNSTON
Helmsman
Australia
258 Posts |
Posted - 09 October 2006 : 09:37:58 AM
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| Saturday 7th was our Opening day for the combined clubs of Hobart - just about everyone goes out and sails past the Governor to take the salute. Paper reported over 300 boats out. We put the 1st reef in the main and sailed without a headsail up at all. The headline on the newspaper story was "Strong winds turn season opener into a fly past". We sailed past the Gov at 6.5-7 knots with all the other 1st division boats - a couple of minutes after we rounded ther breeze really kicked in - we ran off at 8-9 knots and showed 35 knots apparent wind - I guess that makes it over 40 true. Had a great sail over to the traditional anchoring for a late lunch - bit wet on the way back across the Derwent to our club in Sandy Bay. Broke one slug in the dacron main, so a pretty successful day. Sorry to hear aout the mast damage. |
Leigh Ex E30 MkII "Caroline" Hobart |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 09 October 2006 : 12:09:34 PM
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Well Eric you old Buggar,
You will just have to upgrade your light weight E26 to heavyweight E30 and the other big boats will bounce off you and not you off them!
Hope that you will be back on the water real soon.
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Go Flow
Helmsman
Australia
751 Posts |
Posted - 10 October 2006 : 10:15:24 AM
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Hi Eric,
Sorry to hear of the damage. For the record can you identify any particular factor that led to the mast breaking. e.g. spreader broke The change reached Lake Macquarie about 30 minutes later than Gosford. I noticed a few yachts pull their sails down, but shortly after I saw an Endeavour 24 sailing against the strong breeze with only a storm jib. I estimate the waves were over one metre in height and fairly close together. They were under control but were having a very rough ride. The E24 was "Swallow" which has an extended transom. The interesting point here was that the E24 was the only boat sailing in these conditions.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 10 October 2006 : 11:51:36 AM
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Tough boats those 24's. Bad luck Eric, hope you get back out there soon. A request guys.....please, none of this southerly rubbish during the Nationals, we don't want to spill the Bundy.
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Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 11 October 2006 : 12:19:42 AM
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| Hi Adrian, Ken wont be pleased with me.we were driting in circles waiting for enough breeze for the starter to drop his postponement flag and try to choose a coursewith everyone pointing in different directions .when i saw lion island disappear and noticed a strange little breeze from the west ,i suggested it might be a good idea to get rid of the No 1,before we could do that the 50 knotter came out of nowhereas quick as a flash.This started us moving towards a 36 footer who was having his own problems,normally i would have tacked away from him ,but with a flogging main and a half stowed genoa and huge waves tacking was not on ,this left me with the choice of T-Boning him dead centre or trying to go behind him ,and as we all know once you. pullaway you go even faster..his boom (a big one )was flopping wildly at about the same level as my head. The idea colecting the thing across my forehead did not appeal to me so i ducked down behind the cabin ,his boom hit our shrouds and when i lifted my head the mast was in two pieces.Theres no apparent hull damage,just a couple of scrapes just above the waterline. Another two meters and we would have missed him,nobody is blaming anybody ,it was all done in about 30seconds In 40 years a dont think ive ever seen such big waves here or seen them form so quickly. ... This should qualify as the top story this week unless that trawler from north harbour can come up with a better one.. Eric H. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 October 2006 : 2:08:03 PM
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Trawler...indeed!!!
You should keep your eyes open and stop thinking about female forward hands Eric.
Sydney harbour was very similar to what you have described, only we were not as exposed as possibly you were. We had the headland in front of us and had no boats in proximaty. Rod was also very efficient in removing the number one header, which in our boat is a big job. There was never any thought to pulling away in those conditions and I just kept her nose into it until Rod came back and we started up the diesel. Then pulled down the main, secured it all and pulled away and headed homewards. The waves were big & wind-swept and we had sheets of spray coming across the decks. The headlands and bomboars in the area of the Sound all quickly built up to be breaking with whitewater and were very dangerous. We were both very wet in a short time. Even running square with the engine on we had waves & spray over us. However we had no waves breaking over the boat which rode it out well. The harbour was white water with steep short waves of a meter and more. One of the the 24's in our fleet was blown flat but recovered and got into the lee of Quarantine until it blew over and settled to a nice 30 to 40 knots. There was no damage to my knowledge in our little fleet.
Eric, look on the bright side, you can now get that new carbon mast with the insurance!
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 11 October 2006 : 10:28:27 PM
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| My mast man has ,sitting in his workshop a carbon fibre mast off a Farr 40,i might get that,then look out.Eric H. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 12 October 2006 : 11:39:30 AM
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Go "C" man go...!!!
Yes Eric the mast can be made from anything but has to weigh in. So you just add the weight to the base and have all the mechanical advantages of a light top. The theory goes that an ounce on the mast is equivalent to a pound on the deck or something like that.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 30 October 2006 : 03:51:14 AM
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This Sunday we raced at North Harbour with only three starters. It was a handicap start and it was blowing in the South East at around 15 knots and with some heavier gusts. We were last away and by halfway into the race had caught the two other boats. We had a crew of four aboard the Hagar and Rod elected to not carry kites as our two new hands were inexperienced with the boat as well as kites. This did not effect our performance as we sailed well down wind with the number two jib poled out and had some good speed upwind. Although the other two boats carried kites on the last down wind leg trying to catch us, they made little impression and we won comfortably by about six minutes. The new SS port side shroud plate held up well.
This coming Friday is the first race in the Manly YC Twilighter series and as we learnt last year, you dont' win, you only come fourth and never better. This is locally known as "sandbagging" and is an old ploy by the oldboys.
Chris.
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Splinter
Helmsman
Australia
500 Posts |
Posted - 30 October 2006 : 4:05:39 PM
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Hi, Chris, yes Splinter will be racing in the Twilights next week. What is this Sandbagging. I think I might be a virgin in this with our handicap. What you do not win the 1st race! We alway have a great Esky and do the Capt Squilly. Then a great BBQ or Bistro.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 04 November 2006 : 10:15:51 AM
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Last nights twilighter at Manly was a bit of a raffle with the wind coming and going. It ranged from zip to 20 knots in the early gusts and steadily eased to almost a drifter. Rod was keen to experiment and try out the number four header. It was really a number three and then a number two sail breeze, however we have not raced with it so we gave it a try. Unfortunately half way up the work the breeze died and so we pulled it down and put up the number two. Just as we pulled on the sheets the large "D" shackel on the mainsail traveller snapped and we were without the mail. All this took valuable time and allowed the big boats to catch up to us as we slopped about under south head.
We finished in the back of the fleet.
Next week will be another race and we will have done our handicap some good and the number four goes home to Rods sail locker.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 06 November 2006 : 03:46:18 AM
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Yesterdays North Harbour SC Yacht race was cancelled due to the inclement weather. It turned out to be OK weather wise, but the chaps at Little Manly cannot get off the beach in big southerlies.
Rod & I went out to the Hagar and took out the log as well as cleaning out the oil & grease in the bilge. The weather then closed in and we withdrew to the Club and the pot bellied stove.
Chris. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 November 2006 : 09:01:07 AM
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Last nights twilighter race at Manly was a very gusty northeasterly which was from 10 to 20 knots. Having bombed out last week with broken gear and the wrong jib we were awarded an additional two minutes off our handicap and went off on twelve minutes past six. The breeze just kept building and we got up to seven knots under poled out jib off the wind and had the number two on. We were never overtaken and spent the whole night passing boats and came in third across the line just taking an E24 on the line and almost got the second boat. It was a pleasing performance with myself sailing downwind and Rod bring us home upwind.
Today Rod & I are working on the boat and tomorrow we have the annual Islands Race which goes from North Harbour all the way up to Drummoyne and around all the Islands.
Chris. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 13 November 2006 : 03:31:49 AM
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The annual Islands race at North Harbour SC was business as usual for the Hagar. With a full crew of five aboard we had the hands to run the kite and although we were very late to the start and misses it by a few minutes we quickly reeled in the first two boats in a scratch start. It was an off the breeze first leg down to shark island with a jybe to the next two islands and then under the bridge. All the time we played cat and mouse with Dave in his Daydream 27 which is a very quick boat off the wind. We rounded Goat and then the islands at Drummyne and passed Dave upwind quickly and walked away to win by about seventeen minutes.
The boat and crew performed well with improvements in the kite work.
Chris. |
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SAILING REPORTS ON '30's
