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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
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 Posted - 05 September 2011 : 08:12:48 AM
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G'day all, as a new Endeavour 24 owner and recent discoverer of this forum, I'd like to say thanks in advance to the many people here who will undoubtedly offer me all sorts of pearls of wisdom! Ok, so I bought a nice little E24 in Rockhampton and then set out to sail it home to Redcliffe on beautiful Moreton Bay... winds were all wrong and it was a struggle to get south, the usual with the SE trades. 5 miles north of 1770 I watched in horror as the forestay started unravelling! As a result, the yacht is now laid up at anchor in 1770 and I need some assistance to source a new stay. No specifications were given to me in the paperwork aboard upon sale and I am just guessing that the stay is about 30ft in length. This is the first yacht I have owned so please excuse my ignorance - I am a Class V Master but not in sail so I still have much to learn! If anyone could advise me on where to start with this and the easiest (and most cost effective) method of repair, I'd be very grateful. Cheers!  |
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Taunto
Main Sheet Hand
Australia
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Posted - 05 September 2011 : 1:35:09 PM
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G'day Sea wulf , i have always taken my rigging needs to Paul Minter
in Botany , but i guess thats not much use to you . What i suggest is to take your forstay to a local rigger and he can make one up the same length , you will of course have to undo the top end by either droping the mast or sending someone up . If you have a tabanacle at the deck end of your mast use a pully system with a cupple of friends holding the sides to prevent it going sideways and lower it gentely down if not you can still use the same proceedure but with more helping hands, I have learened from bitter experience if one stay has had it they will all be on the way out so have a good geckko at the others . Dont let a little thing like this put you off sailing , your E24 is a fantastic boat and you could not get a better one to learn to sail on . Just a thought where the chain plate comes through the deck and attach,s to steel frame they sometime rust out the gal pipe , if so let me know and i'll explain to you how i repaired mine . Cheers Taunto |
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 05 September 2011 : 6:45:49 PM
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A touch over 26.5 feet. Good advice from Taunto, check the other standing rigging while you can.
Good luck Rob. |
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 05 September 2011 : 11:33:19 PM
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 Thanks Taunto and Rob for the advice, I really appreciate it. I am on the large side and also scared of heights so going up the mast is a no-go for me. The other issue I face is trying to find a rigger who could fix this for me as I live a six hour drive from where the yacht is currently located! Is there anyone I could order a pre-made stay from and have it posted to me so I can go back up and organise to fit it? Just a thought. I actually had thought of beaching the yacht as there are several gutters and banks within the river at 1770 which would allow me access to the top of the mast at low tide. Tides run up to 4+ metres there so plenty of scope for the work. I have no previous experience in this field but am relatively handy with most tools so feel confident I could fit a new stay if I can't find a rigger. I have no idea how to work out the tension though.
I need to get it back to home base at Scarborough (Redcliffe Peninsula - Moreton Bay) and then intend to put her on the hard and get ALL the standing rigging replaced. I'd love a roller furler/reefer for the headsail too but that may have to wait - the bank balance may need some replenishing first! 
I am yet to check the condition of the chainplates in any great detail - the yacht is a 1973 model and was one of the original 4 purchased by the RAN for use by their cadets. Obviously everything has aged and she has had many owners who don't appear to have spent too much on her, although for her age she is in pretty good shape. I was very impressed on the sail south from Rockhampton as we were in 15-20 kts and 3m seas and she just sorta brushed the waves aside and never once did I feel uneasy, even though she is a relatively small craft. I get the feeling that I have bought a bit of a legendary design... My main use will be family day and extended trips with family and friends. I have no desire to race her, although that may happen as I get "bitten" by the bug! I have a lot to learn yet before I even contemplate that idea!
By the way, her name is "BIRINDA" When I get a chance, I'll post some pics. She has a spinnaker pole aboard but I have never set a spinnaker in my life so there's some more learning! That's probably covered elsewhere here... Thanks all for your helpful advice and if anyone knows any of her earlier history I'd love to hear from you!
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 06 September 2011 : 10:59:22 AM
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Somewhat ironic that your "Endeavour" should be at anchor in 1770, 241 years after James Cook.
You need to find a spars/rigging agency in Brisbane to make up a new forestay. Obviously it would be helpful if you have the old one with you.
As to tension, more yachts have been wrecked by too little than too much. At rest, and with the backstay slack out, harden it up until there is virtually no play at all. Check you don't have reverse mast bend. You can set it right later at home when you replace the other rigging. Go easy on the backstay sailing home as a precaution to more rig failure, reduce sail rather than flattening the sailplan. Colin C., Greg L., any suggestions?
Again, good luck. Rob.
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Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 08 September 2011 : 02:41:49 AM
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G'day again Rob. yes, it is rather ironic, and that didn't escape me! My deckie reckoned Captain Cook must've been mad getting in there in such a large vessel, this said as he surveyed the (very) narrow channel entrance! Anyway... I've found a bloke who can assist with going aloft and also a mob in Brisbane who can make another forestay for me. I've been quoted $200.00 - is that pretty reasonable? Hope that will do to get me home with her safely. Taunto mentioned not letting this misfortune put me off sailing - far from it! I am all too aware that things happen and there's always something to fix/replace on a boat. One of the owners of a charter boat I used to drive in Brisbane is commonly heard to say: "It's just being a boat!" He was of the opinion that all boats are simply doing their best to get to the sea floor! Interesting point of view.
I see from trawling through the various threads here in the forum that most of you are based in the southern part of our great land. Are there any clubs up here in the good old Sunshine State? Maybe I'll come across some other Endeavours out on Moreton Bay sometime?
Thanks for the advice and the good wishes. If I ever make it down your way, I'd love to catch up and buy you a beer.
Cheers! Steve |
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 08 September 2011 : 10:02:50 AM
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The quote is ok, as you will have found with stinkboats, there's often not much choice when buying parts.
It's true most of the posters to this forum are from NSW, however, I'm in Perth, home of the best Endeavour sailors in the country. If you make over here, let me know.
The boats are scattered far and wide in Oz, I'm sure you'll find one or two in Brisbane.
Cheers and keep us informed.
Happy sailing, Rob. |
Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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4Seasons
Helmsman
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Posted - 08 September 2011 : 8:35:52 PM
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| Rob,Why dont we get some pearls of wisdom from some other westys beside you,maybe it would lift the tone a bit above the rantings of tha North Harbour barge srse crew who im sure we'll hear from now...EH |
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 09 September 2011 : 07:11:42 AM
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Ha ha! I've read quite a lot of your posts Eric and I'm sure that will stir them up! 
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 15 September 2011 : 7:08:01 PM
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An update on the status of Birinda... Went up to 1770 with a mate and his Dad on Tuesday this week and took the mast down and removed all rigging but the shrouds. The boat looks pretty sad at the moment with the mast lashed over the cabin and pushpit. The plan is to get all the other stays replaced and then sail her home. The shrouds look to be in the best condition out of all the rigging so we'll change those once she comes out of the water. It is pretty depressing really but I know it will be great once all the work is done. Looking forward to a great summer of sailing on Moreton Bay with the family. Unfortunately when we took the mast down, it popped right out of the foot at the last minute, blowing apart one of the blocks and damaging (slightly) the base of the mast where the pivot pin was literally ripped out of the alloy. Sadly, the conditions weren't great for the job and we were doing it at anchor as there was no jetty available to go alongside. It has been a very steep learning curve... sigh. Anyways, hope all other members are having a great time and I look forward to posting happier news soon!
Steve
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 14 November 2011 : 12:59:56 AM
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Ok, a further update on the status of Birinda...after an epic road trip to Gosford to pick up the association's trailer from the most helpful David Dougherty (thanks again for all your assistance!) my wife and I made our way home to Redcliffe, recovered for a day and then set off at 2200 hrs for 1770, arriving there at about 0500, an hour and a half prior to high water. After dodging all the fishing craft we finally got the trailer on the ramp and the boat loaded. A slow trip home and we finally have Birinda back at Redcliffe! Sadly the trip took its toll on the toe rails of the starboard side due to some very rough patches on the Bruce highway, but that will be part of our next lot of work bringing her back to her former glory. Hope to be back in the water this week after a bottom scrape and clean and hope to have the new rigging fitted and the mast back up in the next few weeks. Thanks to all members for their comments and helpful advice.
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Robert Simmons
Helmsman
Australia
420 Posts |
Posted - 14 November 2011 : 6:33:21 PM
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Drink wine, and you will sleep well. Sleep well, and you will not sin. Avoid sin, and you will be saved. Ergo, drink wine and you will be saved.
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rainbow
Sheet Hand
Australia
31 Posts |
Posted - 23 November 2011 : 2:25:38 PM
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I will need to drop the mast on Penguin and replace the rigging. Can you please advise degree of difficulty, any handy hints to avoid a disaster. The mast isn't all that big but appears heavier than Trailer Sailers I have owned in the past. Is it a 2 person job or do I need to round up some extra muscle?????????
Also as I guide how much would I expect to pay for all new wire rigging and turnbuclkes??????????????
Advice would be appreciated.
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Graeme Watson
Helmsman
Australia
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Posted - 23 November 2011 : 6:41:57 PM
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Hi Peter, I have an E24 mk2 I have dropped the mast on the hard and on the mooring. If you do it on the water you have to do it when it is flat so the boat will not rock because once the mast starts to come down there is no side ways support. I remove the for stay and have a rope attached to fore stay and going through a pulley I attach to the fore stay chain plate and run back to a winch. With pressure on rope I release baby fore stay and then with one person on coach roof guiding mast the other at the rear controlling the fall with the rope around the winch and as it gets too low for the rope to have much effect reach up and grab the mast and hold while the person on the coach roof removes the pin from the base of the mast and then move the mast assembly forwards. Please note that the mast will hit the upper coach roof before it is right down so you need to be prepared to hold it up until the pivot pin is removed which can be difficult if the mast is not straight. I have done it with both 2 and 3 people. I think if you had any more you would get in each others road and caught in the mess of wire stays that will be around every were as the mast comes down. I have found it good to have a small light person ready to guide the stays free of things as you go up with the mast. I have found the secret is to plan it out and make sure that it will go up or come down with out finding that half way through you find you have things in the wrong place or raped around things. The mast will get heavy quickly if you have to stand there holding it while things have to be sorted.
I just replaced all standing rig for about $650.00 excluding fore stay as I fitted a new furler which came with a new fore stay. So could be up to $800.00 if you include fore stay
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rainbow
Sheet Hand
Australia
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Posted - 21 December 2011 : 3:46:33 PM
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Thanks Graeme, I'l probably set up a crutch to hold the mast off the cabin top. I was worried that it might be to heavy to do a manual drop a'la trailer sailer. $650 is a bit cheaper than a friend of mine who has a Columbia 27 and paid $850 to replace the rigging of that boat.
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Sea Wulf
Sheet Hand
Australia
26 Posts |
Posted - 29 December 2011 : 09:35:30 AM
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| ATS Nets & Ropes at Clontarf did all mine for $583 - 5mm wire and Blue Wave fittings. Brilliant job. |
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4Seasons
Helmsman
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Posted - 29 December 2011 : 7:20:34 PM
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| I really envy your enthusiasm for your toy,unfortunately as father time enforces his will on us we tend to become blase and probably a bit boring, go for it and have a ball,,, EH |
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rainbow
Sheet Hand
Australia
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Posted - 23 October 2014 : 4:25:06 PM
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Well folks I finally got the mast down 3 weeks ago (only took a few years). Stripped off all the wire rigging and took it to my local rigger. We found that some chain plate pins were 1/4 and some 5/16. We went for heavier wire and 5/16 pins. I then had to drill out 5 of the chain plates as some were 1/4 and some 5/16. I also replace the wooden mast step on the deck as it was rotten.
All up the new rigging cost me $780 so I am happy with the cost given the age of this thread. To get the mast down we tied to our club jetty and ran the jib halyard under the spreaders and around the back of the mast. Connected to the halyard of the next boat behind us and then lowered easily on to a support strapped to the pushpit.
Hopefully, tomorrow morning we will refit the mast and stand it up. I propose to connect the main sheet to the jib halyard and shackle the main sheet to the deck. Then with 2 lifting from the rear, and one pulling on the main sheet at the bow the mast will gracefully lift into place. Fingers crossed for light winds, room at the jetty and a couple of helpers.
Hope this helps any others about to do this job. |
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