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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
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 Posted - 21 December 2011 : 04:53:31 AM
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We have weighed "Blyss" 2330kgs with o/b and "Haul n Coal"2286 with out o/b.
Kokomo next!!!
We think our crane head is worn out though, we tryed to pull out a boat that we were sure would be under weight - given the nature of the characters who sailed it last year, to our suprise the crane would not lift it!! unfortunate that :( what with the slipway full and the crane being unable - may miss the titles - most unfortunate. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 18 January 2012 : 09:32:17 AM
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Well the Nationals are all over for another year and while the status qua has been restored with Hagar regaining the Big-boat trophy, what really is the overall bragging rights.
It can now be claimed that North Harbour Sailing Club has the crown as having the fastest Endeavour yachts and fleet in Australia.
But the outright trophy goes to the smallest competing Endeavour, the E24 Dumeresq! with the fastest times around the courses the most times. In only one race did Grunters E26, Kokomo gain a fastest.
In my several years of racing Endeavors this is the first time this feat has been achieved.
And what is the answer to the question, why? Is North Harbour going quicker? Are they cheating!! (Heaven forbid) and taken a leaf out of someone else's book or are the E26's fading away?
All rather challenging and confusing really dontweknow!
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 19 January 2012 : 05:40:33 AM
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Simple answer here - when you race in a fleet of 3 I say again 3 boats (of mismached speed) you do not have to tack as often, cover or have as much disurbed air - most of the time you have the luxury of watching the real race boaats go off first and get to see the best side of the track etc.
Not to take anything away from the exploites of the other fleets (sic) but a race one day between Dumberesque, Kokomo and the barge - I would love to see that - or even more challanging if John n Stew step up to a 26 for Wangi, now they would add some competition to the top order! |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 19 January 2012 : 09:22:56 AM
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Finally a bite!
Well to start with in the first race, if you recall the E26 fleet was recalled and you chaps were chasing the E24's ect. Both Dumeresq and the Hagar cleared out. Take a close look at the results. We finished quite a few minutes faster around the course ahead of the E26's,
In the other races we had to fight our way through the dirty air of the E26 fleet and played catch-up. So I do not believe that your argument holds up.
What the Dumeresq and Hagar did last weekend was unprecedented. We usually go quicker in the heavier conditions of 15 knots and upwards. The only argument could be the shortness of the courses.
Chris.
Fishing, fishing, fishing? don'tyaknow? |
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 19 January 2012 : 5:26:15 PM
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| Unprecedented! nice - secretly i do agree the closeness in times over the 3 fleets was (again)obvious, maybe I'd go with The dumberesqueees being "unprecedented" as thier record for a 24' boat over quite afew years - yeah on reflection, Unprecedontweknow |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 25 January 2012 : 03:20:54 AM
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Hi there Col,
Maybe the fire in the bellies of the E26 fleet has just gone out, with you having retired and most of the other old-timers, yes that includes you Eca! fading away. The only boat left with any punch is the Kokomo. There is just no new blood!
The problem is that all the young guys are going off and racing in the the bigger yachts and wanting to be jets.
I was cruising the net last night and looking at yachts for sale and comparing prices. It is amazing! with Endeavor yachts very cheap to own or buy. E24's have to be the cheapest yacht going about the bouys. We just need John and Stewpot to slow down and give a bit of encouragement to the rest of the fleet. Dontweknow?
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 02 February 2012 : 1:14:57 PM
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A few months ago Rod & myself attended a relaxed meeting with a number of other yachtmen, and women, who represented some of the better known small and traditional yacht classes. Now while our committee is looking at the possibilities presented from this meeting, I have been contemplating the reasoning behind the approach from the other classes.
Now coming from a policing regulatory background I'm prone to be naturally suspicious. Rod of course is my perfect foil, being trustng and always looking at the best.
The other Classes problem is that they are dying a slow death. With reducing small fleets, not enough to form a recognised Class, or enough to run proper Nationals and State titles or regattas, they are looking at hitching along with similar classes. And they look at us as where they would like to be!
As time goes on they and ourselves will possibly die out simply because all the old members will be gone and the boats worn out. So what and is there a solution?
I'm looking for answers? I do have some ideas which I will bore you with. All the young sailors do not wish to sail "old-clunkers" these days and wish to be with the jets, a bit expensive, dontweknow.
The Adams 10 yacht design is an example of a beautiful small yacht which has and continues to race in strength. Reason being that like us they have a strong Constitution and hold regular regattas. But most importantly you can still buy a new boat!
Imagine a new E26 built from composites, hard foam core with kevlar and carbon emclosing skins, a deeper daggar keel with a moulded bulb and a taller modern rig with carbon spars.
Sports boat you say? Well I'm sure that that is what all the old timers with their timber clinker yachts said about Reg Gardiners new E24 when it was launched a lifetime ago.
Just fishing!
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Greg Lowe
Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 03 February 2012 : 2:31:45 PM
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Hi Chris, dont be too envious of Adams 10, they have exactly the same issues as the Endeavours, the boats rate so well in IRC that many owners have gone away from the Constitution layout and have added the exotic main and carbon spars. The fleet of legal boats is apparently getting smaller each year and there is only 1 decent fleet left at MHYC. Dont get me wrong, they are a great boat and lots of fun to sail[fast too] but new ones[$170k on water] are no faster than old ones upgraded [$50k on water].
Take an old E26 and do a makeover like Kokomo and you have a new boat, in fact all the E26's that raced this year were great boats and great racing was had, even my old Kytan made it to the top mark in the top 3 on several races before experience, crew work and skill made us fall back.
A new Hunter 27 is $100k plus on the water and apparently they are selling well. But would you race 1??
Maybe EMS should work out a really nice race upgrade, simple exterior makeover/paint job to make them look different/modern and modern interior fitout and set up a production line of E26 EMS-Deluxe CR Editions. But leave the keel, rigging and underwater profile alone- it works well like it is. |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 March 2012 : 12:25:29 PM
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Last night I got out and loaded up the CD of the latest National Endeavour Titles. I was just skimming though the photos looking for the Hagar shots, as we do, dontyouknow? and I came upon an interesting group of photos of two smaller yachts having a close encounter of the worst kind. I think it was an E26 and possibly another E26 or an E24 which crossed masts and became "hung-up" in the mast tops. And whose face did I see? None other than that daredevil sailor, Eric! Was that you Eric or had I had too many rum & cokes?
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 11 March 2012 : 7:33:42 PM
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| WRONG,WRONG,WRONG,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As we sailed so badly in the nats i would have been glad to get close enough to some body to :lock horns"....the only incident we had was to call starboard on JUGANEW and he chose to ignore it at same time mumbling what i assume was his opinion of my action, this might liven up the forums,so Chris you better check your evidence EH |
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 12 March 2012 : 12:11:05 PM
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I beleive it was Blys (assured of 3rd place) 15m from the finish with a port tacker Barubi - they locked horns (rigs) and danced around to finish last place!
And no I had gone home so it were not my fault' the stupid so n so's did not protest and did not get redress!!!! I would have - goose's.
Erics boat is white with a blue stripe - the others were blue and off white boats, so who may have been scoffing the rums I wonder dontweknow :) |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 14 March 2012 : 04:56:23 AM
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No problem Col,
Had not heard from Eric for a while and was just testing to see he was still above water, dontyaknow?
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4Seasons
Helmsman
723 Posts |
Posted - 14 March 2012 : 09:46:03 AM
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| Chris,I'm in over my head at the moment,having sold my house where we have been since 1960 and raised three girls and one boy. Ilost my wife in 1998 and the kids are scattered all over the place.inow find myself having to dispose of all those great little offcuts of stainless ,aluminium ,timber, wire et..that we boaties find essential plus the interior bits ,books etc on my own,why do we save so much stuff that ultimately someone has to get rid of .. ...........iam moving about 250 metres into a villa,, NOT A RETIREMENT VILLAGE ..so dont you wont be able to pass rude remarks about my mortality....EH |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 15 March 2012 : 3:28:42 PM
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Well Eric, it seems that we have a lot in common as I have three girls and one son. And I now share my home with a grandson, Noah, who I'm teaching sea shanty songs and to snarl and growl like a pirate. At six months he is coming along well. Althoough his mother does not like the idea of hime becomming a pirate like his old grandad at North Harbour, or his growling.
We have not sighted the Dumeresq boys yet, but they may turn up this weekend as we are racing at North Harbour.
Hope that you have a good weekend sailing.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2013 : 11:44:54 AM
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While all is quiet at the North Harbour Sailing Club and many of the yachties, including myself have begun racing in the various winter series of racing.
We have however been busy organizing the replacement of the Club Balcony which is over the water at the northern end of our small club house.
Of interest is the rumor that certain members of North Harbour  are contemplating campaigning an E26 at the next nationals, dontyaknow?
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Colin Cole
Helmsman
Australia
676 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2013 : 6:18:18 PM
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yeah i heard that too, gunna name the boat after an old rock band i hear,"the easy beats"
Come in spinner :) |
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2013 : 08:34:53 AM
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I don't know about that Col, they seem to have had a lot more success than most others and the competition in the E26's seems to be fading away dontweknow . Yes Eca, that includes you too
Well tomorrow it's mothers day and I have been told, by my daughters, that there is no sailing and that I have to take my mother to lunch. That would be OK except that I'll be paying the equivalent to the best part of a new number three jib with all the hangers on which includes three generations of Copes.
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Chris Cope
Skipper
Australia
2350 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2013 : 08:38:29 AM
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Correction to the last posting, there will be "four" generations at the Mothers Day luncheon
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Banter n Bait!
